65 potential jurors have been picked for final selection in death of Ahmaud Arbery trial

BRUNSWICK, Ga. — Three weeks in, 65 potential jurors have been selected out of a total of 111 interviewed -- a pool from which attorneys will select a panel of 12 jurors plus four alternates.

The racial makeup of the jury is nearly 80 percent white, and majority female. Just six jurors are Black men, and seven Black women.

The juror profiles below are compiled from notes taken by multiple pool journalists working inside the Glynn County Courthouse. Pool reporters are required because of limited seating due to COVID, and because the judge has disallowed video or audio broadcasts in order to protect juror identities.

All personal identifying information has been removed from these notes for the same reason.

JUROR NO. 39

Appears to be a white man in his 40s or 50s.He is a company executive.

Thinks he knows William "Roddie" Bryan – said he “looks familiar,” but added he’s lived in the community for more than 45 years. Has no opinion about him.

Went to high school with Glynn County Schools Police Chief Rod Ellis. Votes based on the issue of guns.

Has negative feelings of Greg and Travis McMichael. Knows Diego Perez, a neighbor of the McMichaels who was one of the first people on the scene after Arbery was killed. Helped the McMichaels in another search for someone they thought was breaking into homes about two weeks before the fatal shooting.

“Actively researched” the case. Before appearing for jury duty, clicked on some of the court documents listed on the clerk’s website, which were listed alongside juror instructions. (They have since been removed.) Said he can set aside the information he learned.

"I’m still leaning one way or the other. I just don’t know what kind of evidence is going to presented. I just don’t know what’s going to happen.”

Said everyone in the community is familiar with the case to some degree.Has seen the video of Arbery’s shooting a “couple of times” and thinks he knows what may have happened. “It’s hard to erase some of the video, but … I can follow the facts.”

Has read about the case in the news, but his opinion of the case has been formed through the media coverage and not the video. “I’m not sure which way I’m leaning.”

Asked if the race of those involved helped form his opinion of the case, he said no.

Asked if he was balanced in the middle, said, “I’m not really sure that’s where I am. Someone was murdered. That’s all I know.”

JUROR NO. 41

Appears to be a white woman in her 30s or 40s. Married with children. Works in healthcare, owns many firearms.

"My husband and father in law have known [Roddie Bryan] for years...but personally I don't." She says they have not formed an opinion about the case one way or another but they have discussed it.

Wrote on her juror questionnaire: "My coworkers are friends with Roddie's wife, we discuss this case all the time."

Said she knows all about this case. "You watch it on TV, you see it on Facebook and everything that’s in the media to see -- I know.” But she feels she can put aside everything she's heard.

"It's nerve-wracking...America is crazy."

Said she's nervous about being here: "Yes, who's not!"

JUROR NO. 44

Appears to be white woman, married with children, works in food related business.

Supports Black Lives Matter movement."It feels like there needs to be some change." Wants to teach her daughter to respect everyone. “I don’t have to worry about being approached because of the color of my skin, or because they way I walk, or the way I talk.”

Thinks Black people are unfairly treated in the criminal justice system.Said her husband has followed the case closely and has a negative view of the defendants. “When I got the jury summons, my husband was adamantly against the defendants.”

She never watched the video the whole way through. "It's hard to make an opinion on something you don't know 100% is true or false." Her husband is the one that encouraged her to fill out the jury questionnaire, she didn't want to.

She insists she really doesn't know any of the facts of the case: "If the video isn't clear how can you make a snap judgement?"

The woman said she believes she could be fair and impartial and would refrain from discussing the case with her husband at home. “I don’t know what happened. The only people who know what happened were there.”

Asked if she believes race played a role in the case, says: “We can’t go around our daily lives with our eyes closed and not see something that’s been ingrained in us since we were kids.”

Asked if she wants to serve on the jury: "I keep going back and forth I'm so scared and nervous about what the repercussions could be" but wants to do her civic duty.

JUROR NO. 52

Appears to be a white woman. Educator, Married, husband is former law enforcement. She sees “the good and bad” in the profession.

Has seen the video of the shooting at least once, can’t recall exactly how many times. “I just remember thinking I didn’t want to watch it again.”

Scale of 1 to 10, she's a 4 in terms of her knowledge of the case. At the beginning she was curious about the case, now she's more curious about "the process and how it works" as a citizen.

Doesn’t watch news but gets information from following local media organizations on Facebook. Has followed the case, but not extensively, and has shared articles about the case online. “At the very beginning, I was curious about it since it’s in our community. Some of the things I’d post, I didn’t even read the entire article.”

Is a member of at least two Facebook community groups. Said the majority of the comments posted online about the shooting had been negative.

She's seen the video at least once, remembers thinking "I just don't want to watch it again. There's no point in watching it again."

Is concerned about "making sure my name is out of the news"

JUROR NO. 62

Appears to be a white man in his 20s or 30s.

Knows Greg McMichael and Glynn County Schools Police Chief Rod Ellis. Has prior law enforcement experience, family members in law enforcement, hopes to become a Glynn County police officer. McMichael is “a friend of my father’s and he’s been over to our house multiple times.” Met Jackie Johnson “on a number of occasions” as well as Keith Higgins. Lives down the road from Royal Oaks and Satilla Shores.

Has firearm training from being in the military and owns a lot of firearms, but didn't want to say how many.

Said he would be able to listen to the evidence.

JUROR NO. 72

Appears to be a white woman in her 20s or 30s.

Has lived in the area since childhood. Works in retail. Owns firearms, votes based on the issue of guns. Father is retired law enforcement. Gets her information on the case from news outlets and social media.

Has publicly expressed that "it wasn't justified what happened to Ahmaud Arbery and I believe that I don't believe in vigilante justice." Believes it was a hate crime, but told prosecutors she understands the defendants are not being charged with that.

Said her negative feelings about defendants come from the media, but can "absolutely" give them a fair trial. "I think I've always been a pretty objective person.” Hasn’t formed an opinion on Bryan.

Considers the Confederate flag to be a racist symbol: "I don't know if they understand how it may make other people feel or they may feel that's their heritage, but my own personal belief is not the same.”

Believes police don't always treat Black people, POC and white people the same. Supports BLM but said it would not affect her ability to judge the evidence in this case. Says if Arbery had been white "it probably wouldn't have happened."

"If it was a white guy running through the neighborhood I don't think he would have been targeted as a suspect.”

Believes "a crime was committed," but says she can accept the presumption of innocence.

Defense attorneys asked to strike Juror No. 72 for cause noting she considered the incident "vigilante justice" and "a hate crime," and that she used emotion to describe Arbery's loss of life and said she knows all about the case.

Prosecutors countered that the juror said she will “absolutely” follow the law and "have a clean slate in her head.” Judge denied the cause challenge.

JUROR NO. 76

Appears to be a white man in his ‘60s. Retired, widower. Recently moved to area. Owns two guns.

Previously served as foreperson on a jury that was able to reach a verdict but that it was "very difficult."

Knows a witness and told her he was summoned for jury duty but indicated he would not give her testimony more weight.

Asked if he's looked into the case and why, he appears to get emotional. When the prosecutor asks him if he needs a moment, he replies "It's a little nervous I appreciate this opportunity."

Added, "I just get a little choked up at times. It's all just my personality. I'm an emotional person."

Is a 5 out of 10 in terms of his knowledge of the case. Says he can make a decision solely based on the evidence. Makes decisions by doing research and educating himself. "I'm pretty anal and very meticulous.”

Only has a problem with open carrying of guns when the person looks suspicious.

JUROR NO. 79

Appears to be a white woman in her 30s or 40s. Works retail, some law enforcement background. Family in law enforcement.

Does not own firearms ("I'm just not comfortable with them. I'm all for guns, I'm scared of them.”)

Believes police may not treat POC and white people equally. "I think a lot of times they profile Blacks."

"There's probably a lot of facts that the public is not aware of too, I don't want to draw a decision just on hearsay.”

Worried about cameras because Brunswick is a small town, but thinks she can be fair and impartial.

JUROR NO. 140

Appears to be a Black man in his 30s or 40s. Lived in the area for more than a decade, is married with children. Has a handgun in his home. “Just home protection.”

Family in law enforcement. Witnessed a murder and had to testify. Knows some of the other jurors.

Has seen the video of Arbery's death three times. Asked if he has an opinion about the defendants’ guilt or innocence: “No.”

On juror questionnaire described the incident this way: “Ahmaud was out jogging that he stopped and was confronted by these men with guns and they got in a fight and he was shot.

Believes most people have some kind of mental illness. "My personal opinion is there is something wrong with everybody.”

Does not have an opinion on whether police treat white people and people of color equally, it varies by area. "I can't really comment on the police job because I know they do have a difficult job.” “They are just normal people at the end of the day.”

Says he never posted any “I Run With Maud” posts, and that he never liked or commented such posts. Is not concerned about retaliation in issuing a verdict. Says he has not seen billboards, bumper stickers or T-shirts in town about the case.

Is questioned by defense attorney Kevin Gough about his Facebook friends -- including County Commissioner Allen Booker, Theawanza Brooks (Arbery's aunt), a mayoral candidate (Travis Riddle), an unnamed local celebrity, and John Perry, president of local NAACP. He said he doesn't know them.

Defense attorney Kevin Gough asks for a cause strike on Juror 140, saying his answers were not candid. “I’m concerned this juror says he doesn’t know who his elected officials are,” Gough said. “He doesn’t seem to be concerned about billboards.”

Prosecutor says the juror was incredibly candid. “The idea that everyone is as civic-minded and politically interested as Mr. Gough is that’s not necessarily true for every juror.”

Judge denied the cause strike.

JUROR NO. 143

Appears to be a Black man in his early 40s. Born in Glynn County.

Former Glynn County PD and Marine Corps, has witnessed crimes, made arrests. Owns "a few" firearms, always carries a gun. Knows Glynn Schools Police Chief Rod Ellis.

Has seen the video at least twice. In juror questionnaire described incident as: “A young person was shot by 2 possibly 3 people who believed he was burglarizing their neighborhood.” Agrees that what he saw is not evidence. Says he could base his decision on the evidence and the law.

Said he supports BLM because he has participated in events related to Juneteenth. “If that is supporting it [BLM], then yes I did.”

Has an important family event in the middle of the trial.

Asked if he's able to consider a defense that is based on self-defense or citizen's arrest, says "Police ain't always present. Sometimes you need good people that exist.”

Saw video once. “It was everywhere. It was everywhere.” Asked if he has thoughts beyond the description of the incident in the questionnaire, he says no. “There’s three sides to every story mine yours and …”

Defense attorney Gough asks if they’ve met or if he represented one of his relatives. Juror tells Gough he doesn't know him or know anything about that. “I’ve seen you on the news but no, we haven’t met before.”

Exchange gets contentious. Gough asks if defended some of the juror’s family members. Juror said he has many siblings, doesn’t know Gough.

Asked if he’s seen BLM items, billboards around: How does it make you feel every day? “I don’t have a bumper sticker. I ain’t putting up no yard signs.”

Juror sighs heavily after being excused.

Gough asks to strike the juror for cause, citing a lack of candor, saying his answers were evasive. Said he’s concerned that the juror claimed he never met and would not recognize the Arbery family. Judge denies the request.

JUROR NO. 158

Appears to be a white older man. Former military, law enforcement. Witnessed colleagues get killed in an ambush.

Knows Kevin Gough from a Republican Party event. Has been a member of the Republican party for 50 years. Knows Glynn Schools Police Chief Rod Ellis, another juror.

Not “perfectly impartial.” Can you decide the case based on evidence? “I believe so.”

“There’s a whole lot about this case that I don’t know, however, I have been exposed to the video and I also watched the GBI present their case early on, on television.”

Could you base your decision on just what you heard in court? “I honestly believe I could”

Said his knowledge of the case was a “7” on a scale of 0-10. Discussed the case with others. “A lot of the conversation I had with coworkers was ‘what do you think the truth is?’ … A lot of the discussion was ‘where’d that happen?’ I’d never heard of Satilla Shores. I thought it was somewhere else.”

Said none of the discussions were about guilt or innocence. “It was: ‘can you believe this is going on?' and 'I can’t believe they’re showing video.’”

“You can see a portion of the video and think you know the story.”

“Quite frankly I don’t believe anything the media produces at all.” Asked if he’s formed an opinion about how race factors into the case: “No sir.”

JUROR NO. 161

Appears to be a white man, 40s or 50s. Married with a child. Owns guns.

Knew Ahmaud Arbery, knows Marcus Arbery Sr., Greg McMichaels, Roddie Bryan, Glynn Schools Chief Rod Ellis, former DA Jackie Johnson. Knows other potential jurors.

Knows the defendants and officials from contracting work, doing jobs for them. Knew Ahmaud Arbery because he played football with his son but said Arbery "didn't really stand out” to him. “Does the fact that your son played football with Mr. Arbery would that affect you as a juror?” “Not at all.”

Asked if he discussed the shooting with his son: “Yes.” Asked if his son expressed an opinion about the case: “No not really”

Searched for the video after hearing about it through. His knowledge of the case is a 9 out of 10. Watched the video “a lot.”

According to his description of the incident on his juror questionnaire: “Travis shot Maud and he was with Greg McMichael it started as a citizen’s arrest” and "ended in a murder." Acknowledges he doesn’t know the legal distinction between murder and homicide. Says his understanding about it being a “citizen’s arrest” is based on Greg McMichaels’ law enforcement background.

Could change what he knows based on evidence in the courtroom. Won’t feel pressure from his job or anywhere else about the verdict.

Doesn't have an opinion on the guilt or innocence of Bryan.

JUROR NO. 167

Appears to be a White female in her 50s. Worked in the criminal justice system.

Has negative feelings about Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael and Roddie Bryan. “I feel that based on what I've seen I think they may have taken the actions further than it needed to be, but I don't know all the facts."

"Taking someone else's life to me is a serious offense."

Has formed or expressed an opinion about the case, but said "not really" when asked if she has formed an opinion on guilt or innocence. Based on what she's seen, "rights were possibly ... violated."

Knows Glynn Schools Police Chief Rod Ellis.

Supports Black Lives Matter. Says people of color are not treated fairly or by police. "There are some [officers] that have a bias."

Asked if race plays a part in this case: "Possibly."

"Explain that for me. How so?"

"I think if it was a white man running, I don't think anybody would have thought twice about it. … I don’t think that they would have gone after someone if they were not a Black.”

Asked where that opinion would fit in her decision making: "The facts would speak for themselves. I’ve been known to change my mind on something, even if you talk to my husband. Is willing to consider possible defenses presented in this case, including self-defense.

Asked about her response on the juror questionnaire that Arbery's “rights were violated,” said she needs all the facts to make a judgement on this.

Took issue with the amount of time former DA Jackie Johnson took to recuse herself. “She should have laid her cards all out on the table and let the judge make the decision."

Said in earlier conversations with friends, that “Based on the information we all had we all came to the same conclusion, thinking that a crime had happened.” Said that won't impact her decision making because they “don't have all the facts.”

As for Roddie Bryan: "I guess I really don't understand why he was there."

Said on questionnaire that she was a 1 on a 1-10 scale of knowledge about case, but changed that to 4 during individual voir dire.

JUROR NO. 168

Appears to be a White female in her 50s, married. Works in retail. New to Brunswick, owns no firearms. Husband drives a pickup truck.

When asked about the case on juror questionnaire, responded, “Have not followed enough to form any opinion” and “I do not know enough about the case to form an opinion about anything.”

Said she has had "occasional, brief and general" conversations with family about what was in the news, but not a discussion of guilt or innocence.

Asked if the video left an impression, said no, "nothing that overly impressed me. It was a horrible situation as everyone thinks but nothing is ever as it seems to be. I take things with a grain of salt until proven otherwise."

“I don’t think the video is the whole story I think the video is part of the story. I think there is a lot to the story and that’s what [this case] is to find out.”

Said she can give fair and meaningful consideration to a self-defense claim. “I think that everybody is entitled to a fair trial. I think everybody is entitled to have their stories heard and be judged accordingly."

Does not have concerns about the aftermath of the verdict. Has not posted or liked anything online about the case.

Defense attorney Kevin Hogue notes her “sparse” responses. “We don’t know a lot about you. Is there anything else you think we should know about you that could affect your ability to be an impartial juror?”

“I don’t think so. I think that everybody is entitled to a fair trial. I think everybody is entitled to have their stories heard and be judged accordingly. As I said we don’t know the whole story until it is presented to us and we should not make judgments about things we don’t know everything about.”

“A lot of things aren’t the way they seem in the news media and we have to take the facts as we know them, and I believe in the justice system.”

JUROR NO. 170

Appears to be a white male in his late 50s.

Has a negative view of Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael and Roddie Bryan.

Has not watched the video, said it initially felt voyeuristic. “At that point it was --not quite lurid -- it was: ‘Hey look at this!’ I just didn’t want to buy into something like that.”

“I didn’t want to see somebody killed. …I didn’t look it up on the internet. I just felt I didn’t need to see it.”

Says he did listen to it, however, when others were watching. “There was three distinct shots shot pause shot pause shot and it just seemed I don’t know – I’m being totally honest --my thought was the space between it [the shots] seemed like it was more calculated than just an action that went bing bing bing.”

Knows Kevin Gough (not personally, through Facebook). Prior jury foreperson. Owns no firearms. Had one DUI arrest “a long time ago.”

“I haven’t done a whole lot of research, but I read the initial article when it came out in The New York Times … How it was portrayed, it seemed not like a good situation.”

“I wouldn’t say it was a strong opinion, just based on what I’ve read and heard, it seems pretty cut and dried.”

Discussed the case with others. “When it came up in conversation, I said something to the effect of it doesn’t matter if Mr. Arbery was guilty of stealing or not that makes no – he doesn’t deserve to be shot.”

In jury questionnaire, described the incident this way: “They cornered him, he ran away, they cornered him again and he was shot.”

“I just can’t see how it would justify shooing somebody.”

“The only time I’ve heard of citizen’s arrest is in the Andy Griffith show.”

Could you give fair consideration to self-defense?” “Yeah, I think I could ... I would listen to both sides and try to be as impartial as possible. I am a strong believer in the court system, and everyone deserves their day in court. It’s the foundation of our country, it’s the rule of law.”

JUROR NO. 218

Appears to be a Black woman in her 40s. Works in retail stock rooms, raised in the area. Owns no firearms.

Has negative opinion about Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael, Roddie Bryan. “Yes, they are guilty.” Got her information about the case from the internet, YouTube, saw the video one time. "Someone sent it to me," didn’t seek it out.

Believes that people of color are not treated fairly by criminal justice system, or by the police. “It happens a lot, I just feel that it’s true.”

Asked if she thinks a man was shot due to his color and three men got away? “Yes.”

"Because of where he was at. Majority of the time, I mean, I don’t know, most of the time we don’t really see a lot of young Black people running or Black people jogging everywhere. More white people jogging. You don’t see Black people do that. So it would be out of the ordinary exercising like that.”

Willing to change opinion based on evidence? “Yes.”

Asked if she has a favorable view of Arbery, has trouble with answer, says she’s nervous. Joined a bike ride to raise money for Ahmaud’s family.

JUROR NO. 219

Appears to be a white woman, married.

Wants to serve on the jury: “Yes, I believe there is purpose to everything. If you’re called to do something, if able to do that, you should do that, you should do your duty and not ignore it.”

Said she can be impartial. Prayed about it, “this took a lot of deep thought” and discussion with her husband. “I feel firmly I could do that, open my heart and my soul and my thought processes.”

“I know I can come in with no predisposition and listen and think and work through and abide and seek justice.

“My opinion that I’ve formed is that obviously a crime was committed because there was an arrest. As far as opinion of guilt or innocence, it’s something I’ve been pondering. I think there is guilt somewhere in the outcome of the situation, don’t know fine details of case but I definitely have an opinion that this ended up in a fatality that probably could’ve been approached in a much different way.”

“I believe in the sanctity of every life. I’m obviously going to have negative feelings about that, especially a person who loses life, if they’re young.”

Has had good experience with law enforcement. Owns a gun. Believes that people of color are not treated fairly by criminal justice system, or by the police.

Has negative thoughts about Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael, Roddie Bryan. Knows Bryan’s wife casually, through their children.

Was never able to watch full video but when it first released made an attempt to watch it.

Discussed jury duty with her husband. “From the day I received the summons, I let him know so we could lay our plans with our lives, work, should something matriculate from it.”

Regarding jury service: “I just feel like I’ve never been called to jury duty before, so you get a call like that you can’t back out unless you have a valid reason. It’s your duty as a citizen to serve if asked to.”

Concerns about serving: “None whatsoever. Nothing to be fear or be ashamed of.”

It’s still your opinion as of this morning a crime had been committed. “Yes.”

There was guilt somewhere? “Yes.”

You still hold this opinion? “Yes.”

“If I’m chosen, I understand my responsibility is to come in with no opinion [and a] presumption of innocence … to seek truth as to whether or not there is guilt or innocence.”

JUROR NO. 228

A woman in her 30s-40s of indeterminate race, possibly white. Knows other jurors. Owns a gun.

Brother was one of the first responders when Arbery was shot. “I don’t really know anything about what he saw, what was involved,” she said. “We didn’t discuss it. I don’t really know much.”

Asked if she had an opinion on the case: “Not really, I don’t, no.” Asked if she could still be impartial: Pause. “Yeah, I suppose so.”

She said there had been talk about the case at work last year, but she didn’t really have an opinion. She’s seen only portions of the video.

“I think I’ve seen clippings of that, maybe from someone at work,” she said. “I’ve never watched it all myself.”

Takes medication that makes it difficult for her to sit for long periods of time. Asked if that would distract her from concentrating on the trial, she said: “Maybe, yeah.”

JUROR NO. 234

Appears to be a white woman in her 20s or 30s. Has close friends in law enforcement, owns a gun, is self-employed.

Doesn’t know much about the case other than headlines on Facebook and bumper stickers saying, “I run with Ahmaud.” She said her husband has tried to talk with her about the case, but she hasn’t engaged. “I go out of my way not to read news or politics,” she said. “I would rather spend my energy elsewhere.”

Has some concerns about how polarizing the case has been in Glynn County. “I think it would be naïve to think there couldn’t be real world repercussions.”

“No matter what direction it goes, people will be upset.”

That fear wouldn’t stop her from weighing the case fairly. “Do I think I can withstand that? Yes. And if called to serve, I will. I wouldn’t have willingly myself put in that position. [I would not have] raised [my] hand for it, but if called, I would do it.”

JUROR NO. 236

Appears to be a white woman in her 40s. Knows Greg McMichaels, DA Keith Higgins, former DA Jackie Johnson, attorney Kevin Gough, other jurors.

Has close friends in law enforcement, owns a gun, worked in the court justice system for four decades. “I know Greg” – has known Greg McMichael for 30 years. She they aren't friends and she would see him at work “just in passing.”

Was involved in preparing some records in the case when copies were requested last year by news organizations. “I know the parts that are redacted that didn’t go out."

Asked if there would be an appearance of impropriety if she served on the jury, given that exposure “I just feel like if was as on the jury that I might present some problem down the road because I was sort of involved.”

Asked about the defendants’ guilt or innocence: “I don’t understand why they took it into their own hands. That’s the only thing that disturbs me about that day. I would have called 911 and let the police handle it.”

Otherwise, said she doesn’t “have an opinion because all I know is what’s been portrayed by media on the news or radio or newspaper or social media.”

“I think it’s a tragedy that the young man died that day,” she said. “I don’t know what led up to, what made those events happen.”

Supported former District Attorney Jackie Johnson, who has been indicted on misconduct charges related to the case, in her failed re-election campaign last year. Husband might post about Confederate history. “I don’t know if I ever have.”

“Do you feel like you’re not the right juror for this case?” “Yes.”

Added, “I don’t want to be a distraction and be a problem for a case that’s already caused problems in our community.”

Judge Walmsley: “Given your knowledge of Greg McMichael, sitting here today are you completely neutral in the case?’’

“Yes.”

Prosecutors moved to strike Juror No. 236 for cause, citing her job in law enforcement and the fact that she knows Greg McMichael. Judge wonders about her role as a document preparer in the case. “I would hate to put a witness on the jury.” [Laughter around.] Says the issue of her role in public records strikes him as “one small headache in a sea of migraines.” Judge denies the motion.

JUROR NO. 246

Appears to be a white woman in her 40s. Wants to serve on the jury -- one of just four the entire week.

Former teacher, military. Works with kids who are victims of violent crimes. Owns no firearms, opposes open carry laws, recognizes other jurors.

Participated in social justice demonstrations, supports Black Lives Matter, LGBT marches, believes people of color are not treated fairly by the criminal justice system or police. Campaigned for Democratic Party.

Believes the McMichaels were perhaps "more vigilant" than normal because of recent break ins. Perhaps he was looked at more closely because of his race.

Over her lifetime she has learned to wipe the slate clean for others and be impartial. Asked if she wants to serve, she says every American should do what they can for their community and not shy away from this.

JUROR NO. 253

Appears to be a Black woman, 40s or 50s. Educational professional. Owns a gun for protection, but said she keeps it at home and never takes it anywhere else.

Looked at case documents online, has close friend in law enforcement, has had good experiences with law enforcement, been the victim of burglary or home invasion, recognizes other jurors.

Has a sister who’s active in social justice causes, but never joins her. “I mostly stay by myself and I don’t get into other people’s business.”

She said she doesn’t know many details about Arbery’s slaying. Has seen video one or two times. Thinks what happened was “wrong.”

“The only thing I can tell is what I’ve seen on TV. A lot about the police were in the area when Ahmaud got shot. That’s about all I know.”

On her juror questionnaire, she wrote that she felt it was wrong for Arbery to be killed. “Before somebody pulls a gun out and shoots somebody, they should stop and think about it first. That’s what I was always taught.”

Believes she can fairly serve as a juror.

Defense moves to strike the juror for cause noting that she believes anytime a life is taken it’s a “crime” and that she is legally “impaired.” Judge denied the motion.

JUROR NO. 258

Appears to be a white male in his 60s. Law enforcement officer with three decades of experince, has close friends in law enforcement. Recognizes other jurors

Has witnessed a crime in progress, been a victim of burglary or home invasion, has had to call 911 to report a crime. Owns a gun, has non-military firearms training. Served on a jury before, has testified in court in the past.

Has seen the video of Arbery being shot on TV news about 10 times but has had little interest in learning more about the case. Says he can be fair and impartial.

“After doing this for so long, it’s really not shocking to me. … When you’ve seen the number of things I have, it’s just another case.”

JUROR NO. 380

Appears to be a Black man in his 60s. Has adult children, previously served on a jury, has relatives in local law enforcement and a close relative in prison.

Respects police but thinks Black people are treated differently.

Saw the cell phone video "about 3 times,” that's all he knows about the case. Said from the cell phone video it looks like the McMichaels had it planned. Thinks race played a role in what happened based on his life experience as a black man. Told his son in Brunswick to be careful after learning of Ahmaud Arbery's death. Son knew Arbery, but not a close friend. Did not discuss the case with his relative in local law enforcement. Hasn’t followed the case beyond what he happens to see on the news. Barely on social media: “old school.”

Has not followed the news since his summons. Passed an Arbery rally after he received his summons. Defense asks, "what does justice for Ahmaud mean to you?" Juror 380 says it means that people want to right a wrong

Said he is still able to put what he saw aside and listen to the evidence and come to a fair conclusion.

(After he leaves, Roddie Bryan’s attorney Kevin Gough says that when Juror No. 380 walked in, Ahmaud Arbery's father nodded at him. Said he is concerned it is a subtle gesture that encourages bias. The other attorneys said they did see the nod. The judge said he did not see it either.)

Defense moves to strike Juror 380 for cause and judge denies motion.

JUROR NO. 381

Appears to be a white man in his 40s. Married, works in law enforcement.

Told prosecutors he knows two witnesses on the list and would likely believe their testimony at trial because he views them as “credible.” Said he took part in the “I Run With Maud” campaign last year in which he ran, and posted a video to his social media. Wanted to support the family after the "tragedy that struck the community."

“The one thing we can count on here in Glynn County is that we can stand as a community unified,” the man replied. “We have seen a tragic loss of life, and any time that occurs, the family deserves closure.”

Has seen the cell phone video about five times. Spoke to law enforcement friends when the video first came out. Isn’t sure chasing Ahmaud Arbery was the best decision by the McMichaels/Bryan.

“Given the gentlemen at that time were not law enforcement”, he said he believed it was handled “poorly.”

“They perceived a crime had taken place and they pursued that subject. It’s my understanding as a former law enforcement officer that when I perceive a crime, the best position for me is as a witness … The first thing I should do is call law enforcement authorities and let them handle that situation.” “Do you believe as they sit here now that they have a committed a crime,” defense attorney asks. “I’d say yes.” “And what crime is that?” “Murder?” the juror responded, phrasing it like a question.

The juror said he could consider the facts of the case and remain objective. “As a prior law enforcement officer, my job is to provide facts,” the juror said. “In this case, with all the videos that are out there, I’m waiting to see facts.”

“We had a tragic incident in this community in a time period where we saw more of those take place. I took pride in my community in how we reacted.”

Said he's not concerned about violence in the community after the verdict: it’s a mostly peaceful community. Is not worried about his safety.

JUROR NO. 383

Appears to be a white woman, owns at least one gun, knows Roddie Bryan. A former educator she taught his child, and knows his fiancé Amy Ellrod socially. Told defense they have not spoken in a while, but she assumes they are still friends and they are friends on Facebook. Also knows three people on the witness list.

Juror says she has an elderly parent whose health is fragile, which may be a distraction.

Has seen social media comments about the case. Has formed no opinion on the guilt or innocence of the three defendants.

JUROR NO. 386

Appears to be a Black man in late 20s or early 30s, owns firearms.

In his juror questionnaire, wrote: "It seemed Ahmaud was scared for his life and chose to defend himself against Travis and Gregory McMichael, who were armed." When the state asked where he had gotten that information, he said "It was everywhere. I saw it on the news. It was on social media. It was a bunch of different places."

“He was just out for a run and what happened to him… he was killed while just out going for a run.” Feels that it was unfair especially two against one. Said he's probably “liked” Run with Maud posts on social media.

Saw the cell phone video several times. Thinks race plays a role in the case. he said since Ahmaud was young and black in a white neighborhood he was targeted. If Ahmaud had been a white man: "I thought about it. It wouldn't have happened."

Does not feel pressure from the community no matter what the verdict is. Talked about the case with his wife when Ahmaud's death initially happened but not frequently.

Could be fair despite his past experiences and thoughts once he sees the evidence

Once witnessed a citizen's arrest when two guys held someone down who tried to break into a car. He said it was fair.

Defense moves to strike Juror 386 for cause and judge denies the motion.

JUROR NO. 395

Appears to be a Black man in his 50s or 60s. Has lived in the area all his life. Knows Marcus Arbery Sr. (he was a couple of years ahead of the juror in school and they did not keep in touch). Roddie Bryan once sold him lawn equipment.

Has negative opinions of Greg McMichael as a parent: “I couldn’t imagine doing something like that as a father with my son.” “I can put it aside. I’m just being honest as a parent.”

Asked if he saw any demonstrators gathering outside or saw the banner outside of the courthouse, he said he doesn’t remember and hadn’t paid attention.

Said his pastor had talked about the case in church and referenced another death that happened in Jacksonville. His pastor prayed for Ahmaud’s mother and her healing. He’s not on social media but has seen information about the case on the news. He hasn’t followed them.

“Somebody got killed, I know that, but the rest of it, what really happened, I don’t know.”

The defense asked the juror why he believed Ahmaud was killed while jogging.

“I have no idea.” Asked if he saw references to ‘jogging’ on the news, he said “that must have been where it came from. Are you saying he wasn’t jogging?”

Said he could be open to hearing a self-defense case: “I mean that’s the only way to form an opinion. You really have to know what happened.”

He said that based on what he’s heard about former DA Jackie Johnson, her handling of case made matters worse.

“The people voted her out, so she did something wrong.” “I really don’t know how it was mishandled, but it was mishandled somehow.”

Juror said he doesn’t know a lot about the case and any negative feeling he has about it won’t impact his ability to make a decision.

JUROR NO. 396

Appears to be a white woman in her 30s.

Knows one of the witnesses. Knows very little about the case -- scrolled past articles and posts on social media. Has not seen the cell phone video. “This case became another case of community impact. It became another example of uniting some and dividing others in the community. That’s been my takeaway of the case so far.”

Wants to serve on the jury. “When you asked the question about who wants to be a part of this, that was me.”

Said she’s able to follow the law and be objective. Currently unemployed due to health issues. Doesn’t feel that will hold her back from serving on the jury.

No opinions on the guilt or innocence of any of the defendants. Didn’t want to be exposed to this case and has been limiting exposure. Had been getting

notifications from the Brunswick News, but when the articles about this case starting coming out “I snoozed them for 30 days.”

Says she hasn’t discussed the case with a lot of people because she’s a homebody. “I tend to live a pretty drama-free life.”

Says she wrote in her juror questionnaire that “two guys murdered another guy” based on the general consensus of people around her. Has not been involved in the BLM movement. “My theory is black white pink purple polka dotted or rainbow, people are people and everybody has rights.”

Asked by defense, “What do you understand about Mr. Arbery?” answers, “I never met him. I don’t know him.”

Feels there are probably entities that are trying to make it about race and that would only happen if the parties involve make it become that. Says there are those who are capitalizing on using certain motivations to create a frenzy. “When people are fighting, they’re not thinking. If they’re thinking, they’re probably not fighting.”

JUROR NO. 402

Appears to be a white man, late 50s/early 60s. Knows Greg McMichaels’ wife Leigh in a work capacity, but hasn't talked to her in at least 5 years and it wouldn’t impact his ability to be impartial.

Concerned the verdict could affect him after the trial. Concerned about being able to reach a verdict without the opinion of the community being a burden on him.

Because of heavy publicity, he’s not confident in juror anonymity. “Whatever verdict comes down is likely to make somebody unhappy, and I have to live here.”

Despite concerns, says he can impartially weigh the evidence.

Hasn’t watched the video at all. “I didn’t need to. A thousand people around me were telling me what they’d seen.”

Has commented on articles regarding the case on Facebook. Read Fox News stories and responded to one post from a CNN contributor he felt characterized Brunswick as a segregated, systemically racist town. Commented, “It is not.”

Thought there might be some bad judgment involved in the case, but preferred to wait until there was more substantial evidence before passing judgment, even before he knew he would be summoned as a juror.

“I would like to think whether I’m chosen or not -- and I’m certainly not asking to be chosen -- that there would be some way to have a fair trial.”

JUROR NO. 403

Appears to be a young Black woman in her 20s or 30s.

Distant relative to a witness. Participated in a protest about the case -- was supporting friends. Some were in favor of arresting the defendants, some were up in the air, some were concerned about the community. “I wasn’t in favor of everything that was going on, but I wasn’t opposed to everything that was going

on.” Did an interview about race relations in Brunswick for a blog that referenced the case. Posted on Instagram about racial injustice using the hashtag #irunwithmaud. Doesn't have a specific opinion about the defendants. Says the hashtag “Justice for Ahmaud” means something for her.

“His life is gone. He can’t speak for himself, so some time of justice has to come out.” When asked what justice is: “Just to acknowledge that something went on.”

Is up in the air on if this case involved race: “I don’t know the facts.

JUROR NO. 414

Appears to be a Black woman, mid 30s.

In her juror questionnaire, wrote that she believed after having problems in the neighborhood, three men took the law in their own hands. Said someone may or may not have been trespassing but she still doesn’t feel that’s a reason for someone to lose their life.

Has negative feelings about guns but said she can put those aside. Would be willing to hear out a self-defense claim.

Asked if she believes the defendants are guilty of anything as they sit in the courtroom right now: “I think that they are guilty of murder, but I think there are all kinds of circumstances that could probably justify murder.”

Believes there could have been a different outcome if the McMichaels had taken different actions such as tackling Ahmaud Arbery.

“I try not to have a negative opinion about anyone,” says she doesn’t feel the events leading to Ahmaud’s death should have happened, but she doesn’t have a negative feeling about Travis or Greg. Felt they shouldn't have used guns but open to hearing what they felt happened.

Asked about liking a post supporting Georgia hate crime bill arising out of shooting. Doesn’t know if this is a hate crime yet, but supports hate crime legislation in general.

Wants to believe race was not a factor and wants to give people the benefit of the doubt. “I would like to believe if Mr. Arbery were white, this would still happen.”

Defense moves to strike Juror 414 for cause and judge denies motion.

JUROR NO. 558

Appears to be an older white woman with two children. Born and raised in Glynn County.Says her religious conviction may prevent her from rendering verdict? “I just don’t feel like I could judge someone. I’m not capable of it. That would be hard for me to do.”Prosecutor: “Is it hard? Or you will not. “It was the way I was raised - not to judge people. It would be hard.”

Familiar with the case, saw the video, but “It didn’t interest me enough to follow it.”Has a planned vacation the week before Thanksgiving. “If I don’t take [the time] I’m going to lose it.” Hasn’t taken a vacation in a year.”

Asked whether she has an opinion on the defendant’s guilt or innocence” “That’s why I can’t make a decision. …. Everybody would have an opinion, no matter who it is. Whether you voice it is another thing. I have both opinions good or bad.”

Meaning you can’t render a verdict? “Probably.”

Said in questionnaire the case is racially motivated, but when asked, “not completely” racially motivated. “Everybody has the right to change their mind.”

“What I have heard, and heard other people talking about, I don’t know if I could choose or not. I really don’t think I could. One way or another. … On both sides there is negative and positive that is right and wrong.”

“I would try to be fair. I would try my best, but I can’t guarantee it. Because I don’t know what else I’m going to learn.”

Says she can listen to the facts and would be willing to consider a defense. “I would consider it all”

Would try best to be fair and impartial “but it would be hard.” Says she can empathize with both parties.

“I truly in my heart, the way I was raised. I don’t think I am here to judge” God puts people on earth for different things. ... I don’t feel qualified.Defense attorney: “Can you make a decision based on law that court provides? “I’m not sure.” Can you try? “I can try” “I would make my best effort, but I can’t guarantee it.”

Prosecutor moves to strike Juror No. 558 – Prosecutor Dunikoski moves to strike: “She said she can’t render a verdict. I asked very clearly.”

Defense attorney Linda Hogue objects: “she was perhaps less educated” but “she was able to identify good and bad on both sides.”

Judge denies motion, juror is qualified.

JUROR NO. 567

Appears to be a white male in his 40s with a military and law enforcement background and medical training. Knows one of the officer witnesses. Hunts, lived in Glynn County 5 years.

Doesn’t have an opinion as to guilt or innocence, but does have a negative impression of defendants. “I happened to see the video when they played it on the news, and it didn’t look good.”

Has seen the video once. Has concerns about repercussions from serving, including that he’d be recognized and harassed, no matter what the verdict was. “Just a lot of press out there … Just being out there and having my face on TV.” Says he recalls other cases, “just seeing people on the news getting hounded.”

In questionnaire, had said he hadn’t watched the video, has since seen it, but not on purpose. “I wasn’t motivated. It came on while I was watching a game. It came on after and I saw it and said ‘Wow, that doesn’t look good.’’

“I saw two trucks chasing a dude, and I didn’t see actually a person shoot another person, but you could see it off in the distance – smoke – and you could hear the gunshot and I said, ‘That’s not good.’”

Asked if he could consider a citizen’s arrest defense: “It would be difficult” because he disagrees with the law. But says he will “most definitely” follow the law.

Asked if the case is about racism: “I don’t believe so, no.”

No motions, Juror 567 is qualified.

JUROR NO. 571

Appears to be a white woman, married with two adult children.

Has negative feelings about the defendants. “I feel like they’re guilty. … All of them.”

Has seen the video three times. Prosecutor: there are two types of people, folks with opinions that are fixed or changeable. Which are you? “I believe that I can listen to evidence and maybe change my opinion.” Says she can consider a self-defense defense. Has coworkers who are friends with the McMichaels, had discussed it with them. “Basically, just the media. I guess the video itself. Just that they’re familiar with the family.”

Has friends in law enforcement but believes they don’t treat Black and white people equally. “I think they’re a little bit tougher on the black community.”

“If I’m honest, if it was completely reversed, and if the three men were black and the victim were white, they would be arrested immediately.” Says she can set that opinion aside and just focus on evidence and law

On juror questionnaire, wrote: “I believe these three men racially profiled Ahmaud Arbery. I believe they took the law into their own hands because they thought they should.” Adds, “From what I read, there were derogatory statements made over Ahmaud Arbery’s body after he was shot. Do I know that that was true? But I have heard that that happened.”

Was “very surprised” when she received jury summons. Asked if it caused her concern: “Slightly, I guess. … a concern about family, being from a small community. I guess a little fearful. And this country’s crazy sometimes.” Says she would look past these concerns if selected.

Asked if she can set aside what she knows and be open to changing her opinion: “If it was something that I felt morally, my values, that would be more difficult I think.”

Didn’t search case out initially. ‘Prior to getting the [jury duty] notification, not a lot. After I got the notification, a little bit more.”

No motions, juror is qualified.

JUROR NO. 575

Appears to be a white male, late 20s-30s, military background. Has two children. Was late to jury duty, does not own a gun, has lived in Glynn County less than five years.

Thinks policing is unequal. “As my experience as a white person I’m not fearful when police pull me over, I’m not sure that is the case for black people. I believe that minorities get longer sentences than white people typically do.”Doesn’t worry about repercussions other than “press hounding or something as a result of being a juror. … I don’t like attention on myself.”

Says race played pretty significant part in case. “There have been a lot of racial injustices in the county and our little town is caught up in them. … I feel it is a good thing to highlight when we as a society thinks that things should change.

“I feel like I could be completely impartial … If I were selected, I could listen to what is presented, and I could come to a fair conclusion.”

No motions, juror is qualified.

JUROR NO. 579

Appears to be a white woman in her 40s/50s, has children.

Believes people of color are not treated equally by the criminal justice system. “I can’t say that I have a carved-out core belief, but I think there may be more to it than I really have investigated myself…there’s something maybe”

Remembers when the video came out. “I recognized Brunswick knowing we were going to be moving here … unless you live in a cave, you’ve heard these discussions.”

“I’ve heard people say their opinion. And I just take everything with a grain of salt…”

Says she can look at the facts. “I’m a rules follower. I can separate opinion from facts.”

On questionnaire, described the case this way: “Mr. Arbery was jogging in his neighborhood and he was shot. They thought he was stealing.”

Asked if she thinks the defendants were motivated by race or racism? “That’s a very good question. I can’t answer that. So, I would have to say no because I haven’t seen an overabundance of fact about that.”

No motions, Juror 579 is qualified.

JUROR NO. 580

Appears to be a white woman in her 60s. Has lived in Glynn County less than 5 years, has firearms training, medical background, adult children.

Asked if she’s discussed the case with friends or family says “I have no friends or family down here and I was traveling and actually found out that something happened here. And that was about it.”

“I don’t really have time to watch the news. Don’t listen to it. I guess I would have to say I don’t know much about it”

“I’ve never been a person that judges anything without hearing everything involved in it. I think it was my work background that taught me that.”

Says she is concerned about safety. “Yes, to be honest, safety is a factor. I live very close to here. And if I may be blunt, the state of everything right now, not just in regards to this case, but the state of the world right now, has everyone on edge. So I would fear of being followed home, someone finding out. I haven’t told anybody that I do work with what’s going on, because I just don’t want anybody to know.”

Isn’t concerned about a particular verdict? “No, it would be more about anyone finding out that I was a juror and harassing afterward.”

Said she can set that aside to serve. “I could set it aside, but it would always be in the very back of my mind.”

No motions, Juror 580 is qualified.

JUROR NO. 178

Appears to be a white woman, under the age of 20, the youngest of the potential jurors. Did not graduate high school. Said in juror questionnaire, “I believe from the shooting video that I've seen online that the men are guilty,” but says she has “not really” had conversations about the case. When asked what she’s heard about it says, “I’m not sure.” Soft spoken, almost a whisper at times. Asked the last major decisions she’s made in her life: “I’m not sure.” Dad hunts but no feelings about guns. Gets her news from Instagram and Snapchat. Saw the video “a few times.” Defense attorney Bob Rubin asks how she felt when she watched it: “I don’t know.” Did it scare you, horrify you? “No.”Said she doesn’t want to serve on the jury. Asked what concerns she has about serving as a juror: “Hmmm, I don’t know.”

Asked if race played a role in the case, says, “I don’t know.” Attorney presses: “You don’t know, or you don’t wanna say?” Juror 178: “Don’t wanna say.” (Judge eventually clears courtroom of spectators including media so attorneys can ask her more about this privately.)Greg McMichael’s attorney Laura Hogue makes a motion to strike: “This juror is not going to be able to sit in judgement… no criticism, she’s just too young …. She was asked a number of fairly easy questions and was unable to express an opinion.” Hogue notes she said, “I’m young and I don’t wanna judge anyone’s life.” Hogue continues “Your honor, this is a murder case where client’s face serious penalties. I’m asking the court to find this is not a case for this young woman. The idea that a young woman who went to [redacted] grade and is unable to share or talk, and her nerves were visible in the panel. I made a note of how she was shaking. It seems that her answers were inconsistent, she didn’t express concerns in the panel that she did here. I don't think this is the right case and we ask you to excuse her for cause.” Roddie Bryan’s attorney Kevin Gough joins objection, “She doesn’t know who she is. Given the magnitude of this case, she’s just not eligible to serve.”Prosecutor Linda Dunikoski argues that she’s old enough to go to jail if she committed armed robbery. “She’s young but that doesn’t have anything to do with her ability to sit as a juror.”Judge denies motion to strike for cause. Juror is qualified.

JUROR NO. 195

Appears to be a white woman in her 60s, has lived in Glynn County for just over a year. Jovial, cracks a few jokes. Asked her age responds, “too old.”

Has not seen the video, doesn’t watch a lot of news. Wants to sit on this jury. Became a U.S. citizen several years ago and says, “This is sort of a civic duty I can do. I donate blood and can sit on a jury.”

Somewhat nervous to serve because it’s a big case, but says she’s thought about it and she thinks she can do it.

Says case makes her think “about Rodney King and Breonna Taylor and all of those stories.” Adds, “Seems to me it was race related. They were white, it was a predominately white neighborhood and he was black.”

“I truly believe not all cops are bad, but some are not so nice”

Defense attorney Bob Rubin: What about you makes you think you can be a good juror?

A: “I’m honest. I’m not radical either way.”

Defense attorney Bob Rubin: Are you comfortable debating your opinions?”

Potential juror: “In a jury room yes. This (referencing the voir dire) is horrible, but in a room with a few people I’m fine.”

Doesn’t have friends here, doesn’t know anyone.

Rubin asks how she got a negative opinion of Travis McMichael if she doesn’t watch news. She struggles to answer this, says she’s heard the news some. Finally says, “Look, I live in Glynn County, there’s buildings/murals painted...I’m having trouble answering the question.”

Defense attorney Kevin Gough if she’s a “Never Trumper?" She responds, "Is that relevant? I’m just asking."

Gough: “Well, at least one lawyer thinks it’s relevant.”

A: “Yes I would identify as that.”

Has negative feelings toward the defendants but could base her verdict on evidence presented during trial. Will consider defenses including self-defense and citizen's arrest law.Says she can be a good jury member because she is not radical in either direction: “I’m honest and don’t have too many options one way or another.”

JUROR NO. 199

Appears to be a Black woman in her 40s – 50s, has three children. Recognizes the McMichaels and Arberys from her job but doesn’t know them personally.

Shared a Facebook posting stating that the defendants “hunted him down and killed him like an animal”

Believes “they were not arrested in a timely manner,” and “The whole case is about racism because it’s Black versus white or white versus Black”

Would consider citizen’s arrest, but doesn’t currently see any evidence of it

Changed her name on Facebook after filling out the jury questionnaire. Defense attorneys ask if that was an effort to hide her posts. She denied that it had anything to do with her Facebook posts about the case and said she frequently changes her name on the site. Records indicate that is the case.

Judge Timothy Walmsley criticizes the defense for questions seeming more like a cross-examination.

Juror is qualified over defense objections.

JUROR NO. 205

Appears to be a white man in his 50s/60s. Has lived in Glynn County less than five years, has friends in law enforcement. Wants to serve on the jury.

In questionnaire, said Ahmaud Arbery shouldn’t have been shot, but after watching a 20/20 special [after he got his jury summons], said he’s more down the middle. “Right now, to me it’s a tied ball game.”

Recognizes defense attorney Kevin Gough from the special -- “you were interviewed alone… you’re famous.”

Says he can form his own opinion, “Absolutely… wouldn't say I’m stubborn, but when I make a decision, I make it on my own.” Raises conspiracy theory about two farmers who said they saw two missiles shoot down Flight 94 on 9/11. “So what do you believe? The cockpit recorder or the farmers? To this day I don’t have an opinion on it.”

Stopped watching TV after the election. “These networks, one says this, one says that… I think, the election, Trump got robbed. I know that for a fact.” Now watches 20/20, 48 Hours, Dr. Phil.

Would consider self-defense and citizen’s arrest defenses.

Attorney Kevin Gough asks him, “Are you looking for fame?” No. “Notoriety?” No. I’m not gonna write a book or anything.

“Is there any reason you can’t be fair or impartial?” No.

JUROR NO. 209

Appears to be a Black man in his 20s. Went to high school with Ahmaud Arbery, knows people in Satilla Shores, has friends in law enforcement. Disagrees with laws that allow people to carry guns. Supports BLM, believes he’s been denied opportunities based on race. Says people of color are not treated fairly in the criminal justice system.

On Arbery’s death: “It stung me when I heard about it”

Believes everybody deserves a fair trial.

Qualified over defense objections.

JUROR NO. 274

Appears to be a white woman, 50s, married with three children. Has lived in Glynn County “on and off” since 1994.

Has gleaned what she knows about the case from national news. “Chuckle at the nonsense online,” she says. “It’s all theories and speculation.”

Has a negative view of the McMichaels. “I wouldn’t be friends with them they’re not my kind of people,” she said.

Pressed about that by the defense attorneys says, “Because they’ve been accused of a crime it’s kind of scary. It’s a fear thing. I’m fearful of them, I guess.”

She adds for emphasis: “They’re driving around with a gun!”

Still, she said, “Everybody deserves a fair trial.”

Says she’s willing to give consideration to defense arguments. “I’d want somebody to do that for me.”

Can’t think of a reason why she can’t be fair and impartial.

Owns a handgun. Once had to fire a gun to scare off a home intruder, but says that will have no effect on her ability as juror. Doesn’t think there should be automatic weapons, should be more background checks

“I don’t think people who have guns are monitored enough.”

Believes law enforcement treats white and Black people differently. “I think it’s more than a trend thing I think it’s really true.”

Asked if she’s open to a citizen’s arrest defense: “There’s always that possibility. ….Yes, I would be fair. Everything is a possibility whatever the outcome.”

After getting her jury summons, she researched the process of being a juror, the responsibilities, caught news at night about the case and protests.

Asked if she walked past protesters outside the courthouse, said: “There was nobody there this morning. … That’s their right; they can do that, as long as they don’t get in my face.”

Asked if she thinks race might be issue in the case: “Probably, but I can’t read their minds, I wouldn’t know,” she said.

Has no opinion as to guilt/innocence of Bryan. Asked if she could be friends with him: “Just completely different lifestyles. Our paths would never cross.”

“I do believe that everybody deserves a fair trial.”

JUROR NO 276

Appears to be a white woman in her 60s.

“I’m not impartial at all,” she says (apparently meaning the opposite). “I mean I’m open, I know a little bit about what happened. I can’t base a decision on what I know. I mean I’m open to both sides.

Does not want to serve. “Nobody wants jury service! I’m sorry, they don’t,” she says, but: “If you pick me as a juror, I have to accept it.”

Not happy to be in court. “It disrupted my way of living. I don’t know how to explain it. I do live differently. I’m a very private person,” and “all of a sudden” she’s sitting in the courthouse and doesn’t “belong here.”

Has an injury that makes it hard to sit for more than a couple hours. “Right now, I’m living off of Tylenol that’s the bottom line.”

Caught maybe 20 seconds of coverage on Court TV when flipping through the channels, a few days before she got the questionnaire. She saw the “guy jogging down the sidewalk” and a man “standing on the back of a truck.”

Sunday night they showed “what was it called? ‘The Killing of Ahmaud Arbery’? I did watch that. And I don’t know what to say I don’t have an answer one way or the other if you were to ask me if it were right or wrong, I couldn’t tell you.”

“I feel like there’s something missing, there’s more to the story, I don’t know how to put it.”

“A juror can only go by the evidence you give them, so no disrespect intended if you get a lousy verdict it’s because you gave us lousy evidence.”

“I’m not going to base a decision on personal feelings I’m going to base a decision on the evidence you give me.”

“I’m willing to listen totally, completely to both sides,” has no problems with hearing a citizen’s arrest or self-defense defense.

Has had a good experience with Glynn County Police in relation to a neighborhood dispute. Does not own a gun.

Said she has not discussed the case. “I don’t know anything about it to discuss with anybody I honestly don’t.” Didn’t know about the case until her brother, who lives out of state, called and told her about it.

Asked if she would be comfortable taking her face mask off given the distance: “I am so paranoid over this virus I’d rather not, I’m sorry.”

She’s trying to describe what she remembers from the show she saw on Sunday: some basic details about the shooting. “There was a scuffle,” she says. Travis got out with his gun. “But you couldn’t see anything when he crossed in front of the truck,” she says. “Did he threaten Travis? Did he himself feel threatened?” Hard to say, she thought. Scuffled again; shot again; it showed Arbery walking away “but then he collapsed.”

She likes to watch Court TV. “I don’t watch a whole lot of news,” she said. She can’t remember what channel the Sunday show was on. “It showed Travis with blood on his hands.”

“I think it was slanting to this being … that it just wasn’t right,” she said of the show.

“Everyone wants closure. I want everyone to have a fair honest trial and closure, and hopefully we’ll bring the community together.”

JUROR NO. 281

Appears to be a white woman in her 20s or 30s. Moved to Brunswick after Arbery was shot.

“If somebody happens to share something on Facebook, I’ll see the headline there; I don’t actively seek out news.” Has talked a bit about the case with parents and husband. She Just knows that these men shot and Arbery.

“… if that makes us sound like bad citizens! I’m just not one to look into the news.” She had never heard of Arbery case until she told people she was moving to Brunswick.

Thinks she would be a fair juror. Says yes in calm, unflustered way to all variants of that question.

Does not own a gun, but doesn’t have strong negative opinions about guns or gun owners.

JUROR NO. 282

Appears to be a white woman in her 60s. Married with three children and owns a couple of guns.

“I’ve real mixed feelings about this whole case. I wasn’t here when it happened, I was on vacation, and I was gone for like a month. I don’t know if we ever know what really happened, I think there’s I just think there’s always two sides to everything.”

Doesn’t have time to watch a lot of TV; think she’s seen the cellphone video two or three times. “I just wonder why they didn’t call a cop instead of doing what they did.” The negative feelings are directed at all three. She could set aside all that and consider defenses.

“I’ve tried not to pay attention to this case. I really didn’t think I’d be here, so I didn’t pay that much attention,” she says. Of her husband: “He could care less about the cases we were too wrapped up in the politics last year.” Says she was disappointed in the outcome of 2020 election, but not the 2016 election.

Asked if race played a role in shooting: “I would assume that,” she says cautiously/uncertainly. “I don’t know why I have that. I’m just assuming that.”

Does not talk about the case. “I just have some friends that have really strong opinions about it, so we just don’t talk about it.”

Wonders: “Why didn’t someone call the police?”

Believes she can be impartial. “Oh, I can be fair,” she says.

JUROR NO. 291

Woman in 20s-30s, possibly white. Married with two small children. Has lived in Glynn County less than 5 years, born and raised in Camden, does not own guns.

Talked a tiny bit about the case with husband but not others. Says it’s too close to home. “I’m very quiet about it -- it’s too close into our area. I don’t do politics anything like that with friends.”

Husband told her the video was released and that his coworkers thought they should be found guilty. “For him I think he strongly feels they’re guilty, maybe. But we don’t talk that much in depth about it,” she says of husband. She herself has not seen the video. Read one article about the charges being elevated: someone showed her “a glimpse” of it.

“Everybody deserves to be heard so I don’t see why now,” she says on defense’s arguments. “With the right evidence I don’t see why it can’t be heard.”

Would you be a fair and impartial juror? “Absolutely. It’s people’s lives. They matter.”

She is passingly acquainted with Amy Elrod.

Hasn’t really read any articles beyond bits of Brunswick News about charges being elevated. “Everybody just deserves a fair trial,” she says. “My parents just strongly put that in our head,” she says.

People have reasons for everything they do whether they are good, bad, selfish; so don’t prejudge. “Like they say, there’s three sides to a story.”

When you said the lives of people matter, what people are you thinking of? “Every human being,” she says. Including the defendants? “Absolutely.”

JUROR NO. 773

The first panelist brought in for individual questioning. Former military, gun owner, has a negative impression of Greg McMichael, but not the other defendants.

“I got the impression he was stalking," the man said, saying he based that opinion on news coverage and from seeing the video of the shooting "fewer than five times."

He said he has not made up his mind about Greg McMichael's innocence or guilt.

JUROR NO. 4

Appears to be a white woman in her mid-60's. Has lived in the area about a year.

Says case is a constant topic of conversation. She acknowledges she has negative feelings against Travis McMichael. "A man died, so yeah I have a pretty negative feeling about that,” added, “I don't feel very good about him.” Doesn't understand why Bryan filmed video or the purpose of filming it.

"I have a negative feeling about the whole incident."

Tried to get out of jury duty because of Covid-19 but judge didn't let her.

Heard about the case when the video first surfaced. Watched video only once. "The fact that I first saw in the NYT was of concern to me,” she said. "There are things that needed to be investigated that hadn't been investigated.”

"None of this makes me feel good" about the outcome of the case regardless of what it is.

Defense seeks to strike her for cause. Attorney Laura Hogue: “This juror originally raised he hand that she was not fair and impartial and that she had negative feelings for defendants.” She supplied an “emotional” juror questionnaire. “She talked about the prejudice she might feel,” and doesn’t understand citizen’s arrest.

Prosecutor Linda Dunikoski opposes the motion, and said juror said she will try to be fair.

Judge says she indicated she was a critical thinker. She says she simply didn’t understand citizen’s arrest but that will be explained to her. Judge denies motion.

JUROR NO. 5

Appears to be a Black woman in her late 20s-early 30s. She is divorced, has a young daughter and no firearms in the home.

She believes the facts of the case she knows are the “truth” based on what she saw in the news and in discussing with multiple people. Formed an opinion of guilt based on facts – has a negative opinion of the defendants, sees racism in the case.

In terms of the feelings related to the case: "There is negative feelings towards what they have done. The incident itself"

Calls video “disgusting and it was vicious,” but thankfully Bryan videotaped it because “now we can see what happened.”

Believes racial disparity is still very much a problem in society.

Defense attorney Kevin Gough asks to strike the juror for cause. “The way I read her body language is it’s not the content of the video that’s disgusting, but that Mr. Bryan made the video is disgusting.” Said she was only potential juror to have this reaction.

Defense attorney Laura Hogue: “Her opinions are quite fixed, your honor.”

But judge noted that when asked specifically about her opinion of the case, she said she has no opinion of guilt or innocence.

Judge qualifies the juror – with reservations about the childcare issue.

JUROR NO. 372

Appears to be a white woman in her 30s-40s. Has lived in Glynn County less than five years. has firearms training but does not own guns. Learned about case from news stories on her social media feed but “I haven’t dug into it.”

Has a negative opinion about the defendants but says she can set it aside. Believes that people of color aren’t treated fairly or equally by the justice system. Supports social justice movement including BLM posts on Facebook but said that wouldn’t affect her ability to be fair and impartial.

“From what I know about the case I agree in citizen’s arrest, but I don’t agree with the end result so that gives me a negative opinion.”

Asked to elaborate, said: “I believe that if you see somebody committing a crime that you have a right to detain them until a police officer gets there.” But also said she doesn’t believe that gave the McMichaels a right to shoot Arbery.

Wonders if race played a role. She’s not from the South and previously lived in the Northeast and on the West Coast. “I’ve heard and seen just quite a bit of racism in general” since moving to Brunswick, she said. “That did play into my head because it is a distinct white-vs-Black in this case.”

Said that would not figure into her deliberations.

“I don’t know all the facts of the case,” No. 372 said. “I wouldn’t automatically assume why they chose to do something.”

No motion to strike, juror was qualified.

JUROR NO. 352

Appears to be a white man in his early 30s. Attended local schools, served in the military, still owns a rifle. Believes he can fairy, impartially weigh the case.

Saw the video once and listened to podcasts in which the case was discussed (Joe Rogen -- “I’d say he’s less biased than most”) but doesn’t have a strong opinion: “no more than anyone else.”

Said he can meaningly consider self-defense and citizen’s arrest as possible defenses. “I would just say that they’re in the wrong, but I don’t think they’re as guilty of evil and such as some people are saying.”

Does not agree with things he read that said Arbery was lynched: “I don’t believe that they were lynching, quote-unquote.”

Asked to elaborate, said: “I don’t believe they intentionally went out that day to kill Ahmaud Arbery. But I believe they still acted poorly. They shouldn’t have shot him.” Doesn’t think race played a role from what he knows about the case.

No motion to strike, juror was qualified.

JUROR NO. 268

Appears to be a white male in his 70s. Declined to be exempted from jury duty because of his age, as the law allows, but said he’d be willing to serve.

“If I’m selected I would,” he said. “I’m not especially volunteering.” Has difficulty hearing. Former military. Doesn’t own a gun and is an advocate for greater gun control, though decades ago he sometimes carried a gun.

“I just think America is becoming a Wild West country,” he said.

Has a negative impression of the defendants. “I have seen the video of the shooting,” he said of Travis McMichael. “I think very commonly anyone would have a negative opinion about that.”

Of Greg McMichael: “I think he’s older and probably should have had a little calmer approach to what was happening.”

Of Bryan: “Why would he film that if he was attempting to help his neighbors?”

Believes race may have played a role. “I don’t see why you would see someone jogging down the street and try to arrest him. Did they see him steal something? Did they know him?”

Read a lot about the case in the news, says it’s difficult to be completely impartial.

“I understand when accused that you are innocent until proven guilty. If I were on the jury, I would certainly make an attempt to be impartial.”

Believes police treat people of color differently than white people.

He also said he believes Georgia’s former state flag adopted in 1956, and prominently featuring the Confederate battle emblem, was a racist symbol.

“The flag was instituted as a symbol of segregation. … The old rebel flag is, it’s still a symbol of isolation for a certain segment of the country.”

The fact Travis McMichael had that flag on his truck’s vanity plate: “I think it would indicate a prejudicial attitude” but would not overwhelm all other evidence in the case.

Asked by Kevin Gough if he thinks his client, Roddie Bryan, is guilty.

“I’m not really sure what he’s charged with,” No. 268 said. “Is he charged with murder?”

Gough replied that Bryan was.

“I would have to question that,” he said

Defense motion to strike, judge denies, juror is qualified.

JUROR NO. 368

Appears to be a white man in his 50s or 60s. Works near the neighborhood where the shooting happened and wanted to know more.

“My wife and I were curious, so we went and looked for the video,” he said. Said he probably watched the video three times in one sitting. “It was petty inconclusive.”

Asked to elaborate, said: “I just remember my wife and I saying there must a lot more that we can’t see here.”

Said he could be fair and impartial if chosen to serve, figuring there must be more evidence than just the video.

Said he’s formed no opinions on whether the McMichaels and Bryan are innocent or guilty.

“No, I can’t tell from what happened,” he said, referring to the video. “I saw two people with their hands on the gun. I didn’t know how that came about.”

Believes rallies and protests held in Arbery’s memory have been overblown, particularly those in which Arbery’s family and supporters have returned to the neighborhood where he was killed.

Said he drove past the subdivision during one such protest and heard people chanting: “Whitey has to die!”

“I see racism. I still see some here and there. I usually just try to ignore it.”

Said it could be uncomfortable for him to serve as a juror if he’s forced to wear a mask. He wasn’t required to in his job during the pandemic until the last couple of months. “Now in the last two months I’ve been forced to wear a mask. I get very warm, very heated,” he said. “It’s going to be a rough time for me.”

No motions to strike, juror is qualified.

JUROR NO. 364

Appears to be a white woman, is over 70, moved to Glynn County from the Midwest several years ago after retiring. Didn’t raise her hand when they asked for people 70 and older who didn’t want to serve on the jury. “I wouldn’t mind. I think it’s probably my duty to do it. That doesn’t mean I want to.”

Said she doesn’t know much about the shooting.

“Basically, I didn’t even put their names into my head until today,” she said of the defendants, adding: “I just knew two had the same last name.”

She said she and her husband talked about Arbery’s death after it happened.

“It was probably something that like, `That’s too bad that happened.’ And where it was,” she said, noting they often drive past the Satilla Shores subdivision where he was killed.

Asked if she held an opinion on the defendants’ guilt: “Not actually because I don’t know any details. I just know the basics of what I heard when it originally happened.”

No reason she can’t be fair and impartial: “I don’t think so. I can’t think of any. … I would definitely be interested in hearing both sides”

Says her main sources of news is Brunswick News. “I follow more political news; Epoch Times, I like their detailed articles.”

JUROR NO. 351

Appears to be a white woman in her 20s. College student, married.

Doesn’t have a strong opinion on the case but feels like news reports haven’t been fair to the McMichaels or Bryan. “I don’t know if there’s enough fair enough information on their behalf as opposed to Ahmaud’s behalf.”

She said she watches very little news, but has heard plenty about the case.

“It’s a very small town and for like this to happen in Brunswick, everybody’s talking about it.”

Heard about Arbery’s mental health information being ruled inadmissible, but hasn’t read any of the documents available online.

Has some concerns about people’s safety and well-being in the community.

“Not really necessarily my safety, but maybe the safety of the people involved in the case or our county itself (if) say, someone gets off.”

“If something goes some way that some person doesn’t want it to, is their life going to be threatened?” she said, clarifying that she was referring to the defendants.

She said at one point she had made a social media post supporting racial justice after Arbery’s death. “I think I ended up deleting it maybe the same day,” she said. “I didn’t even know if that was own opinion. I was just doing it for the sake of my friends. I don’t even know if I’m m

Three weeks in, 60 potential jurors have been selected out of a total of 191 interviewed -- or an average of about 6 a day. Four more are needed to reach the goal of 64 potential jurors from which attorneys can select a panel of 12 plus four alternates.

The juror profiles below are compiled from notes taken by multiple pool journalists working inside the Glynn County Courthouse. Pool reporters are required because of limited seating due to COVID, and because the judge has disallowed video or audio broadcasts in order to protect juror identities.

All personal identifying information has been removed from these notes for the same reason.

JUROR NO. 39

Appears to be a white man in his 40s or 50s.He is a company executive.

Thinks he knows William "Roddie" Bryan – said he “looks familiar,” but added he’s lived in the community for more than 45 years. Has no opinion about him.

Went to high school with Glynn County Schools Police Chief Rod Ellis. Votes based on the issue of guns.

Has negative feelings of Greg and Travis McMichael. Knows Diego Perez, a neighbor of the McMichaels who was one of the first people on the scene after Arbery was killed. Helped the McMichaels in another search for someone they thought was breaking into homes about two weeks before the fatal shooting.

“Actively researched” the case. Before appearing for jury duty, clicked on some of the court documents listed on the clerk’s website, which were listed alongside juror instructions. (They have since been removed.) Said he can set aside the information he learned.

"I’m still leaning one way or the other. I just don’t know what kind of evidence is going to presented. I just don’t know what’s going to happen.”

Said everyone in the community is familiar with the case to some degree.Has seen the video of Arbery’s shooting a “couple of times” and thinks he knows what may have happened. “It’s hard to erase some of the video, but … I can follow the facts.”

Has read about the case in the news, but his opinion of the case has been formed through the media coverage and not the video. “I’m not sure which way I’m leaning.”

Asked if the race of those involved helped form his opinion of the case, he said no.

Asked if he was balanced in the middle, said, “I’m not really sure that’s where I am. Someone was murdered. That’s all I know.”

JUROR NO. 41

Appears to be a white woman in her 30s or 40s. Married with children. Works in healthcare, owns many firearms.

"My husband and father in law have known [Roddie Bryan] for years...but personally I don't." She says they have not formed an opinion about the case one way or another but they have discussed it.

Wrote on her juror questionnaire: "My coworkers are friends with Roddie's wife, we discuss this case all the time."

Said she knows all about this case. "You watch it on TV, you see it on Facebook and everything that’s in the media to see -- I know.” But she feels she can put aside everything she's heard.

"It's nerve-wracking...America is crazy."

Said she's nervous about being here: "Yes, who's not!"

JUROR NO. 44

Appears to be white woman, married with children, works in food related business.

Supports Black Lives Matter movement."It feels like there needs to be some change." Wants to teach her daughter to respect everyone. “I don’t have to worry about being approached because of the color of my skin, or because they way I walk, or the way I talk.”

Thinks Black people are unfairly treated in the criminal justice system.Said her husband has followed the case closely and has a negative view of the defendants. “When I got the jury summons, my husband was adamantly against the defendants.”

She never watched the video the whole way through. "It's hard to make an opinion on something you don't know 100% is true or false." Her husband is the one that encouraged her to fill out the jury questionnaire, she didn't want to.

She insists she really doesn't know any of the facts of the case: "If the video isn't clear how can you make a snap judgement?"

The woman said she believes she could be fair and impartial and would refrain from discussing the case with her husband at home. “I don’t know what happened. The only people who know what happened were there.”

Asked if she believes race played a role in the case, says: “We can’t go around our daily lives with our eyes closed and not see something that’s been ingrained in us since we were kids.”

Asked if she wants to serve on the jury: "I keep going back and forth I'm so scared and nervous about what the repercussions could be" but wants to do her civic duty.

JUROR NO. 52

Appears to be a white woman. Educator, Married, husband is former law enforcement. She sees “the good and bad” in the profession.

Has seen the video of the shooting at least once, can’t recall exactly how many times. “I just remember thinking I didn’t want to watch it again.”

Scale of 1 to 10, she's a 4 in terms of her knowledge of the case. At the beginning she was curious about the case, now she's more curious about "the process and how it works" as a citizen.

Doesn’t watch news but gets information from following local media organizations on Facebook. Has followed the case, but not extensively, and has shared articles about the case online. “At the very beginning, I was curious about it since it’s in our community. Some of the things I’d post, I didn’t even read the entire article.”

Is a member of at least two Facebook community groups. Said the majority of the comments posted online about the shooting had been negative.

She's seen the video at least once, remembers thinking "I just don't want to watch it again. There's no point in watching it again."

Is concerned about "making sure my name is out of the news"

JUROR NO. 62

Appears to be a white man in his 20s or 30s.

Knows Greg McMichael and Glynn County Schools Police Chief Rod Ellis. Has prior law enforcement experience, family members in law enforcement, hopes to become a Glynn County police officer. McMichael is “a friend of my father’s and he’s been over to our house multiple times.” Met Jackie Johnson “on a number of occasions” as well as Keith Higgins. Lives down the road from Royal Oaks and Satilla Shores.

Has firearm training from being in the military and owns a lot of firearms, but didn't want to say how many.

Said he would be able to listen to the evidence.

JUROR NO. 72

Appears to be a white woman in her 20s or 30s.

Has lived in the area since childhood. Works in retail. Owns firearms, votes based on the issue of guns. Father is retired law enforcement. Gets her information on the case from news outlets and social media.

Has publicly expressed that "it wasn't justified what happened to Ahmaud Arbery and I believe that I don't believe in vigilante justice." Believes it was a hate crime, but told prosecutors she understands the defendants are not being charged with that.

Said her negative feelings about defendants come from the media, but can "absolutely" give them a fair trial. "I think I've always been a pretty objective person.” Hasn’t formed an opinion on Bryan.

Considers the Confederate flag to be a racist symbol: "I don't know if they understand how it may make other people feel or they may feel that's their heritage, but my own personal belief is not the same.”

Believes police don't always treat Black people, POC and white people the same. Supports BLM but said it would not affect her ability to judge the evidence in this case. Says if Arbery had been white "it probably wouldn't have happened."

"If it was a white guy running through the neighborhood I don't think he would have been targeted as a suspect.”

Believes "a crime was committed," but says she can accept the presumption of innocence.

Defense attorneys asked to strike Juror No. 72 for cause noting she considered the incident "vigilante justice" and "a hate crime," and that she used emotion to describe Arbery's loss of life and said she knows all about the case.

Prosecutors countered that the juror said she will “absolutely” follow the law and "have a clean slate in her head.” Judge denied the cause challenge.

JUROR NO. 76

Appears to be a white man in his ‘60s. Retired, widower. Recently moved to area. Owns two guns.

Previously served as foreperson on a jury that was able to reach a verdict but that it was "very difficult."

Knows a witness and told her he was summoned for jury duty but indicated he would not give her testimony more weight.

Asked if he's looked into the case and why, he appears to get emotional. When the prosecutor asks him if he needs a moment, he replies "It's a little nervous I appreciate this opportunity."

Added, "I just get a little choked up at times. It's all just my personality. I'm an emotional person."

Is a 5 out of 10 in terms of his knowledge of the case. Says he can make a decision solely based on the evidence. Makes decisions by doing research and educating himself. "I'm pretty anal and very meticulous.”

Only has a problem with open carrying of guns when the person looks suspicious.

JUROR NO. 79

Appears to be a white woman in her 30s or 40s. Works retail, some law enforcement background. Family in law enforcement.

Does not own firearms ("I'm just not comfortable with them. I'm all for guns, I'm scared of them.”)

Believes police may not treat POC and white people equally. "I think a lot of times they profile Blacks."

"There's probably a lot of facts that the public is not aware of too, I don't want to draw a decision just on hearsay.”

Worried about cameras because Brunswick is a small town, but thinks she can be fair and impartial.

JUROR NO. 140

Appears to be a Black man in his 30s or 40s. Lived in the area for more than a decade, is married with children. Has a handgun in his home. “Just home protection.”

Family in law enforcement. Witnessed a murder and had to testify. Knows some of the other jurors.

Has seen the video of Arbery's death three times. Asked if he has an opinion about the defendants’ guilt or innocence: “No.”

On juror questionnaire described the incident this way: “Ahmaud was out jogging that he stopped and was confronted by these men with guns and they got in a fight and he was shot.

Believes most people have some kind of mental illness. "My personal opinion is there is something wrong with everybody.”

Does not have an opinion on whether police treat white people and people of color equally, it varies by area. "I can't really comment on the police job because I know they do have a difficult job.” “They are just normal people at the end of the day.”

Says he never posted any “I Run With Maud” posts, and that he never liked or commented such posts. Is not concerned about retaliation in issuing a verdict. Says he has not seen billboards, bumper stickers or T-shirts in town about the case.

Is questioned by defense attorney Kevin Gough about his Facebook friends -- including County Commissioner Allen Booker, Theawanza Brooks (Arbery's aunt), a mayoral candidate (Travis Riddle), an unnamed local celebrity, and John Perry, president of local NAACP. He said he doesn't know them.

Defense attorney Kevin Gough asks for a cause strike on Juror 140, saying his answers were not candid. “I’m concerned this juror says he doesn’t know who his elected officials are,” Gough said. “He doesn’t seem to be concerned about billboards.”

Prosecutor says the juror was incredibly candid. “The idea that everyone is as civic-minded and politically interested as Mr. Gough is that’s not necessarily true for every juror.”

Judge denied the cause strike.

JUROR NO. 143

Appears to be a Black man in his early 40s. Born in Glynn County.

Former Glynn County PD and Marine Corps, has witnessed crimes, made arrests. Owns "a few" firearms, always carries a gun. Knows Glynn Schools Police Chief Rod Ellis.

Has seen the video at least twice. In juror questionnaire described incident as: “A young person was shot by 2 possibly 3 people who believed he was burglarizing their neighborhood.” Agrees that what he saw is not evidence. Says he could base his decision on the evidence and the law.

Said he supports BLM because he has participated in events related to Juneteenth. “If that is supporting it [BLM], then yes I did.”

Has an important family event in the middle of the trial.

Asked if he's able to consider a defense that is based on self-defense or citizen's arrest, says "Police ain't always present. Sometimes you need good people that exist.”

Saw video once. “It was everywhere. It was everywhere.” Asked if he has thoughts beyond the description of the incident in the questionnaire, he says no. “There’s three sides to every story mine yours and …”

Defense attorney Gough asks if they’ve met or if he represented one of his relatives. Juror tells Gough he doesn't know him or know anything about that. “I’ve seen you on the news but no, we haven’t met before.”

Exchange gets contentious. Gough asks if defended some of the juror’s family members. Juror said he has many siblings, doesn’t know Gough.

Asked if he’s seen BLM items, billboards around: How does it make you feel every day? “I don’t have a bumper sticker. I ain’t putting up no yard signs.”

Juror sighs heavily after being excused.

Gough asks to strike the juror for cause, citing a lack of candor, saying his answers were evasive. Said he’s concerned that the juror claimed he never met and would not recognize the Arbery family. Judge denies the request.

JUROR NO. 158

Appears to be a white older man. Former military, law enforcement. Witnessed colleagues get killed in an ambush.

Knows Kevin Gough from a Republican Party event. Has been a member of the Republican party for 50 years. Knows Glynn Schools Police Chief Rod Ellis, another juror.

Not “perfectly impartial.” Can you decide the case based on evidence? “I believe so.”

“There’s a whole lot about this case that I don’t know, however, I have been exposed to the video and I also watched the GBI present their case early on, on television.”

Could you base your decision on just what you heard in court? “I honestly believe I could”

Said his knowledge of the case was a “7” on a scale of 0-10. Discussed the case with others. “A lot of the conversation I had with coworkers was ‘what do you think the truth is?’ … A lot of the discussion was ‘where’d that happen?’ I’d never heard of Satilla Shores. I thought it was somewhere else.”

Said none of the discussions were about guilt or innocence. “It was: ‘can you believe this is going on?' and 'I can’t believe they’re showing video.’”

“You can see a portion of the video and think you know the story.”

“Quite frankly I don’t believe anything the media produces at all.” Asked if he’s formed an opinion about how race factors into the case: “No sir.”

JUROR NO. 161

Appears to be a white man, 40s or 50s. Married with a child. Owns guns.

Knew Ahmaud Arbery, knows Marcus Arbery Sr., Greg McMichaels, Roddie Bryan, Glynn Schools Chief Rod Ellis, former DA Jackie Johnson. Knows other potential jurors.

Knows the defendants and officials from contracting work, doing jobs for them. Knew Ahmaud Arbery because he played football with his son but said Arbery "didn't really stand out” to him. “Does the fact that your son played football with Mr. Arbery would that affect you as a juror?” “Not at all.”

Asked if he discussed the shooting with his son: “Yes.” Asked if his son expressed an opinion about the case: “No not really”

Searched for the video after hearing about it through. His knowledge of the case is a 9 out of 10. Watched the video “a lot.”

According to his description of the incident on his juror questionnaire: “Travis shot Maud and he was with Greg McMichael it started as a citizen’s arrest” and "ended in a murder." Acknowledges he doesn’t know the legal distinction between murder and homicide. Says his understanding about it being a “citizen’s arrest” is based on Greg McMichaels’ law enforcement background.

Could change what he knows based on evidence in the courtroom. Won’t feel pressure from his job or anywhere else about the verdict.

Doesn't have an opinion on the guilt or innocence of Bryan.

JUROR NO. 167

Appears to be a White female in her 50s. Worked in the criminal justice system.

Has negative feelings about Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael and Roddie Bryan. “I feel that based on what I've seen I think they may have taken the actions further than it needed to be, but I don't know all the facts."

"Taking someone else's life to me is a serious offense."

Has formed or expressed an opinion about the case, but said "not really" when asked if she has formed an opinion on guilt or innocence. Based on what she's seen, "rights were possibly ... violated."

Knows Glynn Schools Police Chief Rod Ellis.

Supports Black Lives Matter. Says people of color are not treated fairly or by police. "There are some [officers] that have a bias."

Asked if race plays a part in this case: "Possibly."

"Explain that for me. How so?"

"I think if it was a white man running, I don't think anybody would have thought twice about it. … I don’t think that they would have gone after someone if they were not a Black.”

Asked where that opinion would fit in her decision making: "The facts would speak for themselves. I’ve been known to change my mind on something, even if you talk to my husband. Is willing to consider possible defenses presented in this case, including self-defense.

Asked about her response on the juror questionnaire that Arbery's “rights were violated,” said she needs all the facts to make a judgement on this.

Took issue with the amount of time former DA Jackie Johnson took to recuse herself. “She should have laid her cards all out on the table and let the judge make the decision."

Said in earlier conversations with friends, that “Based on the information we all had we all came to the same conclusion, thinking that a crime had happened.” Said that won't impact her decision making because they “don't have all the facts.”

As for Roddie Bryan: "I guess I really don't understand why he was there."

Said on questionnaire that she was a 1 on a 1-10 scale of knowledge about case, but changed that to 4 during individual voir dire.

JUROR NO. 168

Appears to be a White female in her 50s, married. Works in retail. New to Brunswick, owns no firearms. Husband drives a pickup truck.

When asked about the case on juror questionnaire, responded, “Have not followed enough to form any opinion” and “I do not know enough about the case to form an opinion about anything.”

Said she has had "occasional, brief and general" conversations with family about what was in the news, but not a discussion of guilt or innocence.

Asked if the video left an impression, said no, "nothing that overly impressed me. It was a horrible situation as everyone thinks but nothing is ever as it seems to be. I take things with a grain of salt until proven otherwise."

“I don’t think the video is the whole story I think the video is part of the story. I think there is a lot to the story and that’s what [this case] is to find out.”

Said she can give fair and meaningful consideration to a self-defense claim. “I think that everybody is entitled to a fair trial. I think everybody is entitled to have their stories heard and be judged accordingly."

Does not have concerns about the aftermath of the verdict. Has not posted or liked anything online about the case.

Defense attorney Kevin Hogue notes her “sparse” responses. “We don’t know a lot about you. Is there anything else you think we should know about you that could affect your ability to be an impartial juror?”

“I don’t think so. I think that everybody is entitled to a fair trial. I think everybody is entitled to have their stories heard and be judged accordingly. As I said we don’t know the whole story until it is presented to us and we should not make judgments about things we don’t know everything about.”

“A lot of things aren’t the way they seem in the news media and we have to take the facts as we know them, and I believe in the justice system.”

JUROR NO. 170

Appears to be a white male in his late 50s.

Has a negative view of Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael and Roddie Bryan.

Has not watched the video, said it initially felt voyeuristic. “At that point it was --not quite lurid -- it was: ‘Hey look at this!’ I just didn’t want to buy into something like that.”

“I didn’t want to see somebody killed. …I didn’t look it up on the internet. I just felt I didn’t need to see it.”

Says he did listen to it, however, when others were watching. “There was three distinct shots shot pause shot pause shot and it just seemed I don’t know – I’m being totally honest --my thought was the space between it [the shots] seemed like it was more calculated than just an action that went bing bing bing.”

Knows Kevin Gough (not personally, through Facebook). Prior jury foreperson. Owns no firearms. Had one DUI arrest “a long time ago.”

“I haven’t done a whole lot of research, but I read the initial article when it came out in The New York Times … How it was portrayed, it seemed not like a good situation.”

“I wouldn’t say it was a strong opinion, just based on what I’ve read and heard, it seems pretty cut and dried.”

Discussed the case with others. “When it came up in conversation, I said something to the effect of it doesn’t matter if Mr. Arbery was guilty of stealing or not that makes no – he doesn’t deserve to be shot.”

In jury questionnaire, described the incident this way: “They cornered him, he ran away, they cornered him again and he was shot.”

“I just can’t see how it would justify shooing somebody.”

“The only time I’ve heard of citizen’s arrest is in the Andy Griffith show.”

Could you give fair consideration to self-defense?” “Yeah, I think I could ... I would listen to both sides and try to be as impartial as possible. I am a strong believer in the court system, and everyone deserves their day in court. It’s the foundation of our country, it’s the rule of law.”

JUROR NO. 218

Appears to be a Black woman in her 40s. Works in retail stock rooms, raised in the area. Owns no firearms.

Has negative opinion about Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael, Roddie Bryan. “Yes, they are guilty.” Got her information about the case from the internet, YouTube, saw the video one time. "Someone sent it to me," didn’t seek it out.

Believes that people of color are not treated fairly by criminal justice system, or by the police. “It happens a lot, I just feel that it’s true.”

Asked if she thinks a man was shot due to his color and three men got away? “Yes.”

"Because of where he was at. Majority of the time, I mean, I don’t know, most of the time we don’t really see a lot of young Black people running or Black people jogging everywhere. More white people jogging. You don’t see Black people do that. So it would be out of the ordinary exercising like that.”

Willing to change opinion based on evidence? “Yes.”

Asked if she has a favorable view of Arbery, has trouble with answer, says she’s nervous. Joined a bike ride to raise money for Ahmaud’s family.

JUROR NO. 219

Appears to be a white woman, married.

Wants to serve on the jury: “Yes, I believe there is purpose to everything. If you’re called to do something, if able to do that, you should do that, you should do your duty and not ignore it.”

Said she can be impartial. Prayed about it, “this took a lot of deep thought” and discussion with her husband. “I feel firmly I could do that, open my heart and my soul and my thought processes.”

“I know I can come in with no predisposition and listen and think and work through and abide and seek justice.

“My opinion that I’ve formed is that obviously a crime was committed because there was an arrest. As far as opinion of guilt or innocence, it’s something I’ve been pondering. I think there is guilt somewhere in the outcome of the situation, don’t know fine details of case but I definitely have an opinion that this ended up in a fatality that probably could’ve been approached in a much different way.”

“I believe in the sanctity of every life. I’m obviously going to have negative feelings about that, especially a person who loses life, if they’re young.”

Has had good experience with law enforcement. Owns a gun. Believes that people of color are not treated fairly by criminal justice system, or by the police.

Has negative thoughts about Travis McMichael, Greg McMichael, Roddie Bryan. Knows Bryan’s wife casually, through their children.

Was never able to watch full video but when it first released made an attempt to watch it.

Discussed jury duty with her husband. “From the day I received the summons, I let him know so we could lay our plans with our lives, work, should something matriculate from it.”

Regarding jury service: “I just feel like I’ve never been called to jury duty before, so you get a call like that you can’t back out unless you have a valid reason. It’s your duty as a citizen to serve if asked to.”

Concerns about serving: “None whatsoever. Nothing to be fear or be ashamed of.”

It’s still your opinion as of this morning a crime had been committed. “Yes.”

There was guilt somewhere? “Yes.”

You still hold this opinion? “Yes.”

“If I’m chosen, I understand my responsibility is to come in with no opinion [and a] presumption of innocence … to seek truth as to whether or not there is guilt or innocence.”

JUROR NO. 228

Female in her 30s-40s. Knows other jurors. Owns a gun.

Brother was one of the first responders when Arbery was shot. “I don’t really know anything about what he saw, what was involved,” she said. “We didn’t discuss it. I don’t really know much.”

Asked if she had an opinion on the case: “Not really, I don’t, no.” Asked if she could still be impartial: Pause. “Yeah, I suppose so.”

She said there had been talk about the case at work last year, but she didn’t really have an opinion. She’s seen only portions of the video.

“I think I’ve seen clippings of that, maybe from someone at work,” she said. “I’ve never watched it all myself.”

Takes medication that makes it difficult for her to sit for long periods of time. Asked if that would distract her from concentrating on the trial, she said: “Maybe, yeah.”

JUROR NO. 234

Appears to be a white woman in her 20s or 30s. Has close friends in law enforcement, owns a gun, is self-employed.

Doesn’t know much about the case other than headlines on Facebook and bumper stickers saying, “I run with Ahmaud.” She said her husband has tried to talk with her about the case, but she hasn’t engaged. “I go out of my way not to read news or politics,” she said. “I would rather spend my energy elsewhere.”

Has some concerns about how polarizing the case has been in Glynn County. “I think it would be naïve to think there couldn’t be real world repercussions.”

“No matter what direction it goes, people will be upset.”

That fear wouldn’t stop her from weighing the case fairly. “Do I think I can withstand that? Yes. And if called to serve, I will. I wouldn’t have willingly myself put in that position. [I would not have] raised [my] hand for it, but if called, I would do it.”

JUROR NO. 236

Appears to be a white woman in her 40s. Knows Greg McMichaels, DA Keith Higgins, former DA Jackie Johnson, attorney Kevin Gough, other jurors.

Has close friends in law enforcement, owns a gun, worked in the court justice system for four decades. “I know Greg” – has known Greg McMichael for 30 years. She they aren't friends and she would see him at work “just in passing.”

Was involved in preparing some records in the case when copies were requested last year by news organizations. “I know the parts that are redacted that didn’t go out."

Asked if there would be an appearance of impropriety if she served on the jury, given that exposure “I just feel like if was as on the jury that I might present some problem down the road because I was sort of involved.”

Asked about the defendants’ guilt or innocence: “I don’t understand why they took it into their own hands. That’s the only thing that disturbs me about that day. I would have called 911 and let the police handle it.”

Otherwise, said she doesn’t “have an opinion because all I know is what’s been portrayed by media on the news or radio or newspaper or social media.”

“I think it’s a tragedy that the young man died that day,” she said. “I don’t know what led up to, what made those events happen.”

Supported former District Attorney Jackie Johnson, who has been indicted on misconduct charges related to the case, in her failed re-election campaign last year. Husband might post about Confederate history. “I don’t know if I ever have.”

“Do you feel like you’re not the right juror for this case?” “Yes.”

Added, “I don’t want to be a distraction and be a problem for a case that’s already caused problems in our community.”

Judge Walmsley: “Given your knowledge of Greg McMichael, sitting here today are you completely neutral in the case?’’

“Yes.”

Prosecutors moved to strike Juror No. 236 for cause, citing her job in law enforcement and the fact that she knows Greg McMichael. Judge wonders about her role as a document preparer in the case. “I would hate to put a witness on the jury.” [Laughter around.] Says the issue of her role in public records strikes him as “one small headache in a sea of migraines.” Judge denies the motion.

JUROR NO. 246

Appears to be a white woman in her 40s. Wants to serve on the jury -- one of just four the entire week.

Former teacher, military. Works with kids who are victims of violent crimes. Owns no firearms, opposes open carry laws, recognizes other jurors.

Participated in social justice demonstrations, supports Black Lives Matter, LGBT marches, believes people of color are not treated fairly by the criminal justice system or police. Campaigned for Democratic Party.

Believes the McMichaels were perhaps "more vigilant" than normal because of recent break ins. Perhaps he was looked at more closely because of his race.

Over her lifetime she has learned to wipe the slate clean for others and be impartial. Asked if she wants to serve, she says every American should do what they can for their community and not shy away from this.

JUROR NO. 253

Appears to be a Black woman, 40s or 50s. Educational professional. Owns a gun for protection, but said she keeps it at home and never takes it anywhere else.

Looked at case documents online, has close friend in law enforcement, has had good experiences with law enforcement, been the victim of burglary or home invasion, recognizes other jurors.

Has a sister who’s active in social justice causes, but never joins her. “I mostly stay by myself and I don’t get into other people’s business.”

She said she doesn’t know many details about Arbery’s slaying. Has seen video one or two times. Thinks what happened was “wrong.”

“The only thing I can tell is what I’ve seen on TV. A lot about the police were in the area when Ahmaud got shot. That’s about all I know.”

On her juror questionnaire, she wrote that she felt it was wrong for Arbery to be killed. “Before somebody pulls a gun out and shoots somebody, they should stop and think about it first. That’s what I was always taught.”

Believes she can fairly serve as a juror.

Defense moves to strike the juror for cause noting that she believes anytime a life is taken it’s a “crime” and that she is legally “impaired.” Judge denied the motion.

JUROR NO. 258

Appears to be a white male in his 60s. Law enforcement officer with three decades of experince, has close friends in law enforcement. Recognizes other jurors

Has witnessed a crime in progress, been a victim of burglary or home invasion, has had to call 911 to report a crime. Owns a gun, has non-military firearms training. Served on a jury before, has testified in court in the past.

Has seen the video of Arbery being shot on TV news about 10 times but has had little interest in learning more about the case. Says he can be fair and impartial.

“After doing this for so long, it’s really not shocking to me. … When you’ve seen the number of things I have, it’s just another case.”

JUROR NO. 380

Appears to be a Black man in his 60s. Has adult children, previously served on a jury, has relatives in local law enforcement and a close relative in prison.

Respects police but thinks Black people are treated differently.

Saw the cell phone video "about 3 times,” that's all he knows about the case. Said from the cell phone video it looks like the McMichaels had it planned. Thinks race played a role in what happened based on his life experience as a black man. Told his son in Brunswick to be careful after learning of Ahmaud Arbery's death. Son knew Arbery, but not a close friend. Did not discuss the case with his relative in local law enforcement. Hasn’t followed the case beyond what he happens to see on the news. Barely on social media: “old school.”

Has not followed the news since his summons. Passed an Arbery rally after he received his summons. Defense asks, "what does justice for Ahmaud mean to you?" Juror 380 says it means that people want to right a wrong

Said he is still able to put what he saw aside and listen to the evidence and come to a fair conclusion.

(After he leaves, Roddie Bryan’s attorney Kevin Gough says that when Juror No. 380 walked in, Ahmaud Arbery's father nodded at him. Said he is concerned it is a subtle gesture that encourages bias. The other attorneys said they did see the nod. The judge said he did not see it either.)

Defense moves to strike Juror 380 for cause and judge denies motion.

JUROR NO. 381

Appears to be a white man in his 40s. Married, works in law enforcement.

Told prosecutors he knows two witnesses on the list and would likely believe their testimony at trial because he views them as “credible.” Said he took part in the “I Run With Maud” campaign last year in which he ran, and posted a video to his social media. Wanted to support the family after the "tragedy that struck the community."

“The one thing we can count on here in Glynn County is that we can stand as a community unified,” the man replied. “We have seen a tragic loss of life, and any time that occurs, the family deserves closure.”

Has seen the cell phone video about five times. Spoke to law enforcement friends when the video first came out. Isn’t sure chasing Ahmaud Arbery was the best decision by the McMichaels/Bryan.

“Given the gentlemen at that time were not law enforcement”, he said he believed it was handled “poorly.”

“They perceived a crime had taken place and they pursued that subject. It’s my understanding as a former law enforcement officer that when I perceive a crime, the best position for me is as a witness … The first thing I should do is call law enforcement authorities and let them handle that situation.” “Do you believe as they sit here now that they have a committed a crime,” defense attorney asks. “I’d say yes.” “And what crime is that?” “Murder?” the juror responded, phrasing it like a question.

The juror said he could consider the facts of the case and remain objective. “As a prior law enforcement officer, my job is to provide facts,” the juror said. “In this case, with all the videos that are out there, I’m waiting to see facts.”

“We had a tragic incident in this community in a time period where we saw more of those take place. I took pride in my community in how we reacted.”

Said he's not concerned about violence in the community after the verdict: it’s a mostly peaceful community. Is not worried about his safety.

JUROR NO. 383

Appears to be a white woman, owns at least one gun, knows Roddie Bryan. A former educator she taught his child, and knows his fiancé Amy Ellrod socially. Told defense they have not spoken in a while, but she assumes they are still friends and they are friends on Facebook. Also knows three people on the witness list.

Juror says she has an elderly parent whose health is fragile, which may be a distraction.

Has seen social media comments about the case. Has formed no opinion on the guilt or innocence of the three defendants.

JUROR NO. 386

Appears to be a Black man in late 20s or early 30s, owns firearms.

In his juror questionnaire, wrote: "It seemed Ahmaud was scared for his life and chose to defend himself against Travis and Gregory McMichael, who were armed." When the state asked where he had gotten that information, he said "It was everywhere. I saw it on the news. It was on social media. It was a bunch of different places."

“He was just out for a run and what happened to him… he was killed while just out going for a run.” Feels that it was unfair especially two against one. Said he's probably “liked” Run with Maud posts on social media.

Saw the cell phone video several times. Thinks race plays a role in the case. he said since Ahmaud was young and black in a white neighborhood he was targeted. If Ahmaud had been a white man: "I thought about it. It wouldn't have happened."

Does not feel pressure from the community no matter what the verdict is. Talked about the case with his wife when Ahmaud's death initially happened but not frequently.

Could be fair despite his past experiences and thoughts once he sees the evidence

Once witnessed a citizen's arrest when two guys held someone down who tried to break into a car. He said it was fair.

Defense moves to strike Juror 386 for cause and judge denies the motion.

JUROR NO. 395

Appears to be a Black man in his 50s or 60s. Has lived in the area all his life. Knows Marcus Arbery Sr. (he was a couple of years ahead of the juror in school and they did not keep in touch). Roddie Bryan once sold him lawn equipment.

Has negative opinions of Greg McMichael as a parent: “I couldn’t imagine doing something like that as a father with my son.” “I can put it aside. I’m just being honest as a parent.”

Asked if he saw any demonstrators gathering outside or saw the banner outside of the courthouse, he said he doesn’t remember and hadn’t paid attention.

Said his pastor had talked about the case in church and referenced another death that happened in Jacksonville. His pastor prayed for Ahmaud’s mother and her healing. He’s not on social media but has seen information about the case on the news. He hasn’t followed them.

“Somebody got killed, I know that, but the rest of it, what really happened, I don’t know.”

The defense asked the juror why he believed Ahmaud was killed while jogging.

“I have no idea.” Asked if he saw references to ‘jogging’ on the news, he said “that must have been where it came from. Are you saying he wasn’t jogging?”

Said he could be open to hearing a self-defense case: “I mean that’s the only way to form an opinion. You really have to know what happened.”

He said that based on what he’s heard about former DA Jackie Johnson, her handling of case made matters worse.

“The people voted her out, so she did something wrong.” “I really don’t know how it was mishandled, but it was mishandled somehow.”

Juror said he doesn’t know a lot about the case and any negative feeling he has about it won’t impact his ability to make a decision.

JUROR NO. 396

Appears to be a white woman in her 30s.

Knows one of the witnesses. Knows very little about the case -- scrolled past articles and posts on social media. Has not seen the cell phone video. “This case became another case of community impact. It became another example of uniting some and dividing others in the community. That’s been my takeaway of the case so far.”

Wants to serve on the jury. “When you asked the question about who wants to be a part of this, that was me.”

Said she’s able to follow the law and be objective. Currently unemployed due to health issues. Doesn’t feel that will hold her back from serving on the jury.

No opinions on the guilt or innocence of any of the defendants. Didn’t want to be exposed to this case and has been limiting exposure. Had been getting

notifications from the Brunswick News, but when the articles about this case starting coming out “I snoozed them for 30 days.”

Says she hasn’t discussed the case with a lot of people because she’s a homebody. “I tend to live a pretty drama-free life.”

Says she wrote in her juror questionnaire that “two guys murdered another guy” based on the general consensus of people around her. Has not been involved in the BLM movement. “My theory is black white pink purple polka dotted or rainbow, people are people and everybody has rights.”

Asked by defense, “What do you understand about Mr. Arbery?” answers, “I never met him. I don’t know him.”

Feels there are probably entities that are trying to make it about race and that would only happen if the parties involve make it become that. Says there are those who are capitalizing on using certain motivations to create a frenzy. “When people are fighting, they’re not thinking. If they’re thinking, they’re probably not fighting.”

JUROR NO. 402

Appears to be a white man, late 50s/early 60s. Knows Greg McMichaels’ wife Leigh in a work capacity, but hasn't talked to her in at least 5 years and it wouldn’t impact his ability to be impartial.

Concerned the verdict could affect him after the trial. Concerned about being able to reach a verdict without the opinion of the community being a burden on him.

Because of heavy publicity, he’s not confident in juror anonymity. “Whatever verdict comes down is likely to make somebody unhappy, and I have to live here.”

Despite concerns, says he can impartially weigh the evidence.

Hasn’t watched the video at all. “I didn’t need to. A thousand people around me were telling me what they’d seen.”

Has commented on articles regarding the case on Facebook. Read Fox News stories and responded to one post from a CNN contributor he felt characterized Brunswick as a segregated, systemically racist town. Commented, “It is not.”

Thought there might be some bad judgment involved in the case, but preferred to wait until there was more substantial evidence before passing judgment, even before he knew he would be summoned as a juror.

“I would like to think whether I’m chosen or not -- and I’m certainly not asking to be chosen -- that there would be some way to have a fair trial.”

JUROR NO. 403

Appears to be a young Black woman in her 20s or 30s.

Distant relative to a witness. Participated in a protest about the case -- was supporting friends. Some were in favor of arresting the defendants, some were up in the air, some were concerned about the community. “I wasn’t in favor of everything that was going on, but I wasn’t opposed to everything that was going

on.” Did an interview about race relations in Brunswick for a blog that referenced the case. Posted on Instagram about racial injustice using the hashtag #irunwithmaud. Doesn't have a specific opinion about the defendants. Says the hashtag “Justice for Ahmaud” means something for her.

“His life is gone. He can’t speak for himself, so some time of justice has to come out.” When asked what justice is: “Just to acknowledge that something went on.”

Is up in the air on if this case involved race: “I don’t know the facts.

JUROR NO. 414

Appears to be a Black woman, mid 30s.

In her juror questionnaire, wrote that she believed after having problems in the neighborhood, three men took the law in their own hands. Said someone may or may not have been trespassing but she still doesn’t feel that’s a reason for someone to lose their life.

Has negative feelings about guns but said she can put those aside. Would be willing to hear out a self-defense claim.

Asked if she believes the defendants are guilty of anything as they sit in the courtroom right now: “I think that they are guilty of murder, but I think there are all kinds of circumstances that could probably justify murder.”

Believes there could have been a different outcome if the McMichaels had taken different actions such as tackling Ahmaud Arbery.

“I try not to have a negative opinion about anyone,” says she doesn’t feel the events leading to Ahmaud’s death should have happened, but she doesn’t have a negative feeling about Travis or Greg. Felt they shouldn't have used guns but open to hearing what they felt happened.

Asked about liking a post supporting Georgia hate crime bill arising out of shooting. Doesn’t know if this is a hate crime yet, but supports hate crime legislation in general.

Wants to believe race was not a factor and wants to give people the benefit of the doubt. “I would like to believe if Mr. Arbery were white, this would still happen.”

Defense moves to strike Juror 414 for cause and judge denies motion.

JUROR NO. 466

Appears to be a white male in his 30s, attended local schools, does contracting work.

Knows Leigh McMichael -- wife has professional connection – and is FB friends with Lindsey McMichael. Hasn’t spoken with either about case, but it might pose a problem: “The only thing it would put my wife in awkward situation. If I were to sit on jury and it were a guilty verdict, I would put my wife in an impossible situation.”

“I am saying there is a better chance that I could not be [impartial] than I could be.”

“I would like to think I could be impartial but in the back of my mind my wife supersedes objectivity.”

Owns AR 15 and 40 caliber Glock. Has friends who live in Royal Oaks. Is former schoolmate of two witnesses – Danielle Stoddard (was “pretty good friends with her” _ andHilary Germano (FB and IG friends).Has done contracting work for Rusty Johnson. Never discussed this case with any of the witnesses. Can be impartial.

“I don’t view favorably on the field in general (psychiatry)… I refer to them as pill pushers. … I could go and convince them of my mental illness even though it’s not there. I’m not saying they would make it up I’m saying they could see what they want to see.”

On the delay that occurred between incident and arrest: “It was out of the ordinary.” What’s ordinary? “A more timely arrest if there’s going to be an arrest. … It’s just something I found weird.”

On juror questionnaire circled “10” on a scale of how much he knows about the case. Described the incident: “A guy was shot in the middle of the street.”

“I’ve seen the video and I’ve heard everybody in town talk about it for the last year or so.”

Does not have a fixed opinion about guilt or innocence: “Right now? No, I don’t”Discussed the case with friends, family, coworkers, spouse, but: “I usually don’t let people shape my other opinions.”

Asked if he could base his decisions on evidence and the law: “That’s the only thing I would do”

Asked if he would be concerned about his safety, reputation or livelihood if chosen as juror: “My own no. My wife and daughter? Yes.”

Elaborates: “I just don’t want people showing up at my house. I have a feeling there will be a large protesting presence here in the next couple weeks and should my name somehow slip out into the ether … I don’t worry about my well-being, just them.”

Asked if that would that weigh on his mind and be a distraction: “Yes.”

“I wouldn’t say too distracted …. the degree [of distraction] is to be seen.”

JUROR NO. 475

Appears to be a white male in his late 20s/30s.

“I just think it was a bad set of circumstances and, yeah, I think they shot him in the street. Cut him off.” Got his info from “Just watching the video, talking with friends, it’s been the talk of the town for a while.”

“I don’t know if I can set the video aside -- it’s pretty burnt into my memory but any opinions I could set aside.”

Describes the video: “It seemed pretty rough pretty gruesome especially when it was slowed down.”

“It seems like it was all layded [sic] out there. It seems like there was a chase and a scuffle in the road and he was shot.”

“The young man should not have been shot in the street of a friendly neighborhood.”

Asked if he can set aside his negative feelings about the defendants: “I might. I think I could.” Will you try? “Sure.

Has been to Satilla Shores, done contracting work out there.

Regarding unequal treatment by law enforcement: “It just seems a little lopsided at times... people [of color] being pulled over maybe picked on a little more.”

Did not actively research the case.“I haven’t dwelled on it or anything but whenever I see Brunswick or Glynn Co on the news, I pay attention.”

Regarding that coverage: “I was upset. It was wild that it happened in our town and it was on national news. And yeah it bothered me.”In discussions with others: “I’ve heard every opinion from like totally innocent to completely guilty.”

“Kind of everybody agrees we all know what we saw in the video. Whether it was justified or not that is the other opinion.”

Says he filled out questionnaire with his wife’s help. “We were trying to get not get picked for this.”

People of color are not treated the same in criminal justice system – have you discussed that with friends of color “No. Maybe about this case or another big case in the news but not a deep conversation.”

Other cases -- are you thinking it is lumped tighter with other cases “seemed like when it rains It pours over the last year… it seems like it has all been lumped together to me.”

“This and the whole black lives matter movement this has kind of pushed that along. It’s been a big issue in the whole social justice upheaval lately.”Is that positive or negative?“I think it’s made our town look negative for sure. I don’t think it’s positive.”

“I think race does play a role in this case. Because a black guy in a white neighborhood he got chased down by trucks and shot in the street.”

“I think it reflects negatively on them [defendants].”

“We looked up maybe stand your ground law, saw what it covered … I felt like they broke the law. They weren’t in their yard. They were in the middle of the street when they chased him down with guns.”

“I try my best to start impartial, but it may be hard with what I’ve seen”

Defense asks for a cause strike, noting that he said the video “is pretty front in my mind,” that he watched the video slowed down, says it tells the story, called it gruesome. Says it’s not realistic to think the juror can be impartial.

State counters the motion, notes the juror also said “Arbery should not have been at the construction site without permission” on his questionnaire. State notes the juror said he “would try” to be impartial, “and that is all we can ask.” The fact that he said the video is burned in his memory “is irrelevant” because he’s going to be shown the video “over and over, frame by frame.”

Judge denies strike, qualifies juror.

JUROR NO. 479

Appears to be a Black female in her 60s or 70s. Wants to serve on the jury. Supports limiting gun rights, BLM. Thinks the former Georgia flag is a racist symbol.

Opinion about this case. “I believe I told you – Yeah, I got an opinion That we want to see justice done. We want to do everything fair. Everybody do their day in court. We be honest.”

“If the persons what did what they did to him is wrong then they need to pay for it. And it won’t bring him back but at least it will let people know you can’t do him any kind of way and we all have rights.”

Would you listen to defenses? “I’d listen.”

Raised her hand when asked if she knew someone unfairly treated by justice system, and that people of color are treated unfairly. Tells a long story about her bipolar son who was maced and arrested, jailed for eight days, and only let him call his mother when he agreed to tear up a grievance he’d written.“And he tore up the grievance and they let him call me.”

Raised her hand when asked if she’d formed an opinion about the innocence or guilt of the defendants. When asked about it in individual voir dire said: “Forgive me … but “vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord.” I don’t have to hold anything against anybody. …We’re all human beings but you listen with your heart and your mind.”

Asked, “Why do you want to be on this jury?” Answer: “I believe I can bring peace out of the storm. It’s inside of me we as a community are supposed to love one another and it’s got to be some peace.... I am not going to be here to create havoc but to try to have some understanding … When things happen you just need a little more Jesus. It’s not on me to hate anybody.”

Regarding lapse between Arbery’s killing and the arrest of the defendants: “Nothing was done. It was like it happened and it didn’t happen. It was like nobody felt it was important enough to look into. To me it was like it was swept under the rug.”

“You’ve got to listen, and weigh pros and cons and I can listen, oh yeah, be open minded.”

Asked by the judge if she has a fixed opinion about the defendant’s guilt: “Your Honor, I believe everybody saw the tape, so we know somebody shot him. I don’t know what brought it all about … you hear things, but you need to hear all the facts”

She’s older than 70 but does not want to opt out of jury service. Defense attorney Franklin Hogue asked what she meant when she said she “wants to help bring peace out of the storm.” Answer: “I believe I’m a person of peace. If there is anything we need to come together and talk about, I believe I can keep everything positive.”

Hogue: “What is the ‘storm’?” Answer: “As a community we are going through right now. And we have some good people in this community, black and white, and we show love for one another. I can be an asset to the system. … Somebody is going to suffer on either side, I just believe I am a person who can bring about peace.”

Hogue asks for clarification. Answer: “Maybe I won’t be able to tell you how I can bring peace out of the storm until it comes up.”Hogue: “I am trying to understand you and your desire to be on this jury. And all I can do is take your words and I am doing my best to understand them. One of your answers was, ‘We are supposed to love one another.” How does your role in this case achieve that?”

Answer: “I have love flowing out of my heart. I am going not try to do what is right, I am going to be honest …I want to be part of the jury if possible. If not, I understand but I am going to be the one to promote peace. It may not be everyone in there that is like me, but you’ll have me.”

Hogue: “Peace among whom?” Answer: “Anybody involved … I know how to pray.”

Juror: “I know that a life was taken, and I have children myself. And I know I would want somebody to have answers for what happened to my child … If they are guilty, they are guilty, and if they are not – OK.”

Juror: “I have the right to walk down the sidewalk. I have the right to go to the grocery store. Somebody may not want me to go to the grocery store. Do I have rights?”

Hogue: “Are you referring to Arbery?” Juror: “He’s a human being, yessir.”

Asked if she was worried about repercussions from a verdict: “People in the world today are a little bit mean so we never know what’s going to be. I’m not afraid. Maybe I don’t have sense enough be afraid.”

Asked about a Facebook “sticker” that said, “I Run with Ahmaud,” Juror gets impatient with defense attorney Kevin Gough. “What are you trying to ask me – ‘I Ran with Maud?’ What are you trying to get me to say?”“I told you I had the sticker on my page, and I took it off.”

Gough: "I didn’t mean to get you upset."

Juror said she removed the sticker: “Probably over 8, 9 months [ago]”.

Gough: “You didn’t just change it out. You actually deleted it.” Juror says no, it’s surely there somewhere on a hard drive or FB records.

Defense seeks cause strike. Notes juror goal is peace, “which is very nice” but not the jury’s intended focus. Says “It all started to go kinda sideways” under questioning. Cites son’s bipolar issue: “This [case] might really hit home for her as well.” Attorney Linda Hogue: “there was no way to get her to be responsive and to respond to the very clear questions that were asked …I don’t believe this juror is appropriately qualified.”

State opposes cause strike, noting the juror stated, “if the person did what they did and were wrong they need to pay the price.”

Judge denies a cause strike.“I don’t’ think there is any way to summarize what happened” for the record but says he “found her to be quite open and candid.”

Juror is qualified.

JUROR NO 496.

Appears to be a white female in her 20s. Married, has a child. Will be moving out of Glynn County mid-trial.

“I would absolutely give the case my full attention. The problem would be more the closing date and having to sign in Georgia -- you have to be there to sign.”

Asked about her impression of the case, says it’s complex … There are a lot of different charges. With all the information that I’ve heard, and it happened so long ago that I don’t remember what the actual facts are compared to the things that I’ve heard.”

Described incident on juror questionnaire: “Ahmaud Arbery was jogging in Satilla Shores. He went into a home. Owner was not there and had asked the father McMichael to watch the home, and when he saw Arbery told his son to get his gun. They asked him to stop. He continued to run. … They had a struggle, they went out of the video [frame] for a minute and the they come back and Arbery was shot.”

Asked about watching the video. “I did see the video, it was blurry. …It was an obscene video. I clearly remember seeing Arbery fall.”

Asked why she describes it as obscene: “Someone died. There’s no reason someone should ever have to see someone else die.”

Added, “I wouldn’t want to see it again but if I had to watch it [as a juror] I would.”Does not watch news. “The only articles I see are from Epoch Times.”

“I don’t particularly want to be on the jury. … I would absolutely do my best to be objective.”

Prosecutors move for a cause strike citing concerns about the juror residency requirement, but judge denies. Juror is qualified.

JUROR NO. 558

Appears to be an older white woman with two children. Born and raised in Glynn County.Says her religious conviction may prevent her from rendering verdict? “I just don’t feel like I could judge someone. I’m not capable of it. That would be hard for me to do.”Prosecutor: “Is it hard? Or you will not. “It was the way I was raised - not to judge people. It would be hard.”

Familiar with the case, saw the video, but “It didn’t interest me enough to follow it.”Has a planned vacation the week before Thanksgiving. “If I don’t take [the time] I’m going to lose it.” Hasn’t taken a vacation in a year.”

Asked whether she has an opinion on the defendant’s guilt or innocence” “That’s why I can’t make a decision. …. Everybody would have an opinion, no matter who it is. Whether you voice it is another thing. I have both opinions good or bad.”

Meaning you can’t render a verdict? “Probably.”

Said in questionnaire the case is racially motivated, but when asked, “not completely” racially motivated. “Everybody has the right to change their mind.”

“What I have heard, and heard other people talking about, I don’t know if I could choose or not. I really don’t think I could. One way or another. … On both sides there is negative and positive that is right and wrong.”

“I would try to be fair. I would try my best, but I can’t guarantee it. Because I don’t know what else I’m going to learn.”

Says she can listen to the facts and would be willing to consider a defense. “I would consider it all”

Would try best to be fair and impartial “but it would be hard.” Says she can empathize with both parties.

“I truly in my heart, the way I was raised. I don’t think I am here to judge” God puts people on earth for different things. ... I don’t feel qualified.Defense attorney: “Can you make a decision based on law that court provides? “I’m not sure.” Can you try? “I can try” “I would make my best effort, but I can’t guarantee it.”

Prosecutor moves to strike Juror No. 558 – Prosecutor Dunikoski moves to strike: “She said she can’t render a verdict. I asked very clearly.”

Defense attorney Linda Hogue objects: “she was perhaps less educated” but “she was able to identify good and bad on both sides.”

Judge denies motion, juror is qualified.

JUROR NO. 567

Appears to be a white male in his 40s with a military and law enforcement background and medical training. Knows one of the officer witnesses. Hunts, lived in Glynn County 5 years.

Doesn’t have an opinion as to guilt or innocence, but does have a negative impression of defendants. “I happened to see the video when they played it on the news, and it didn’t look good.”

Has seen the video once. Has concerns about repercussions from serving, including that he’d be recognized and harassed, no matter what the verdict was. “Just a lot of press out there … Just being out there and having my face on TV.” Says he recalls other cases, “just seeing people on the news getting hounded.”

In questionnaire, had said he hadn’t watched the video, has since seen it, but not on purpose. “I wasn’t motivated. It came on while I was watching a game. It came on after and I saw it and said ‘Wow, that doesn’t look good.’’

“I saw two trucks chasing a dude, and I didn’t see actually a person shoot another person, but you could see it off in the distance – smoke – and you could hear the gunshot and I said, ‘That’s not good.’”

Asked if he could consider a citizen’s arrest defense: “It would be difficult” because he disagrees with the law. But says he will “most definitely” follow the law.

Asked if the case is about racism: “I don’t believe so, no.”

No motions, Juror 567 is qualified.

JUROR NO. 571

Appears to be a white woman, married with two adult children.

Has negative feelings about the defendants. “I feel like they’re guilty. … All of them.”

Has seen the video three times. Prosecutor: there are two types of people, folks with opinions that are fixed or changeable. Which are you? “I believe that I can listen to evidence and maybe change my opinion.” Says she can consider a self-defense defense. Has coworkers who are friends with the McMichaels, had discussed it with them. “Basically, just the media. I guess the video itself. Just that they’re familiar with the family.”

Has friends in law enforcement but believes they don’t treat Black and white people equally. “I think they’re a little bit tougher on the black community.”

“If I’m honest, if it was completely reversed, and if the three men were black and the victim were white, they would be arrested immediately.” Says she can set that opinion aside and just focus on evidence and law

On juror questionnaire, wrote: “I believe these three men racially profiled Ahmaud Arbery. I believe they took the law into their own hands because they thought they should.” Adds, “From what I read, there were derogatory statements made over Ahmaud Arbery’s body after he was shot. Do I know that that was true? But I have heard that that happened.”

Was “very surprised” when she received jury summons. Asked if it caused her concern: “Slightly, I guess. … a concern about family, being from a small community. I guess a little fearful. And this country’s crazy sometimes.” Says she would look past these concerns if selected.

Asked if she can set aside what she knows and be open to changing her opinion: “If it was something that I felt morally, my values, that would be more difficult I think.”

Didn’t search case out initially. ‘Prior to getting the [jury duty] notification, not a lot. After I got the notification, a little bit more.”

No motions, juror is qualified.

JUROR NO. 575

Appears to be a white male, late 20s-30s, military background. Has two children. Was late to jury duty, does not own a gun, has lived in Glynn County less than five years.

Thinks policing is unequal. “As my experience as a white person I’m not fearful when police pull me over, I’m not sure that is the case for black people. I believe that minorities get longer sentences than white people typically do.”Doesn’t worry about repercussions other than “press hounding or something as a result of being a juror. … I don’t like attention on myself.”

Says race played pretty significant part in case. “There have been a lot of racial injustices in the county and our little town is caught up in them. … I feel it is a good thing to highlight when we as a society thinks that things should change.

“I feel like I could be completely impartial … If I were selected, I could listen to what is presented, and I could come to a fair conclusion.”

No motions, juror is qualified.

JUROR NO. 579

Appears to be a white woman in her 40s/50s, has children.

Believes people of color are not treated equally by the criminal justice system. “I can’t say that I have a carved-out core belief, but I think there may be more to it than I really have investigated myself…there’s something maybe”

Remembers when the video came out. “I recognized Brunswick knowing we were going to be moving here … unless you live in a cave, you’ve heard these discussions.”

“I’ve heard people say their opinion. And I just take everything with a grain of salt…”

Says she can look at the facts. “I’m a rules follower. I can separate opinion from facts.”

On questionnaire, described the case this way: “Mr. Arbery was jogging in his neighborhood and he was shot. They thought he was stealing.”

Asked if she thinks the defendants were motivated by race or racism? “That’s a very good question. I can’t answer that. So, I would have to say no because I haven’t seen an overabundance of fact about that.”

No motions, Juror 579 is qualified.

JUROR NO. 580

Appears to be a white woman in her 60s. Has lived in Glynn County less than 5 years, has firearms training, medical background, adult children.

Asked if she’s discussed the case with friends or family says “I have no friends or family down here and I was traveling and actually found out that something happened here. And that was about it.”

“I don’t really have time to watch the news. Don’t listen to it. I guess I would have to say I don’t know much about it”

“I’ve never been a person that judges anything without hearing everything involved in it. I think it was my work background that taught me that.”

Says she is concerned about safety. “Yes, to be honest, safety is a factor. I live very close to here. And if I may be blunt, the state of everything right now, not just in regards to this case, but the state of the world right now, has everyone on edge. So I would fear of being followed home, someone finding out. I haven’t told anybody that I do work with what’s going on, because I just don’t want anybody to know.”

Isn’t concerned about a particular verdict? “No, it would be more about anyone finding out that I was a juror and harassing afterward.”

Said she can set that aside to serve. “I could set it aside, but it would always be in the very back of my mind.”

No motions, Juror 580 is qualified.

JUROR NO. 178

Appears to be a white woman, under the age of 20, the youngest of the potential jurors. Did not graduate high school. Said in juror questionnaire, “I believe from the shooting video that I've seen online that the men are guilty,” but says she has “not really” had conversations about the case. When asked what she’s heard about it says, “I’m not sure.” Soft spoken, almost a whisper at times. Asked the last major decisions she’s made in her life: “I’m not sure.” Dad hunts but no feelings about guns. Gets her news from Instagram and Snapchat. Saw the video “a few times.” Defense attorney Bob Rubin asks how she felt when she watched it: “I don’t know.” Did it scare you, horrify you? “No.”Said she doesn’t want to serve on the jury. Asked what concerns she has about serving as a juror: “Hmmm, I don’t know.”

Asked if race played a role in the case, says, “I don’t know.” Attorney presses: “You don’t know, or you don’t wanna say?” Juror 178: “Don’t wanna say.” (Judge eventually clears courtroom of spectators including media so attorneys can ask her more about this privately.)Greg McMichael’s attorney Laura Hogue makes a motion to strike: “This juror is not going to be able to sit in judgement… no criticism, she’s just too young …. She was asked a number of fairly easy questions and was unable to express an opinion.” Hogue notes she said, “I’m young and I don’t wanna judge anyone’s life.” Hogue continues “Your honor, this is a murder case where client’s face serious penalties. I’m asking the court to find this is not a case for this young woman. The idea that a young woman who went to [redacted] grade and is unable to share or talk, and her nerves were visible in the panel. I made a note of how she was shaking. It seems that her answers were inconsistent, she didn’t express concerns in the panel that she did here. I don't think this is the right case and we ask you to excuse her for cause.” Roddie Bryan’s attorney Kevin Gough joins objection, “She doesn’t know who she is. Given the magnitude of this case, she’s just not eligible to serve.”Prosecutor Linda Dunikoski argues that she’s old enough to go to jail if she committed armed robbery. “She’s young but that doesn’t have anything to do with her ability to sit as a juror.”Judge denies motion to strike for cause. Juror is qualified.

JUROR NO. 195

Appears to be a white woman in her 60s, has lived in Glynn County for just over a year. Jovial, cracks a few jokes. Asked her age responds, “too old.”

Has not seen the video, doesn’t watch a lot of news. Wants to sit on this jury. Became a U.S. citizen several years ago and says, “This is sort of a civic duty I can do. I donate blood and can sit on a jury.”

Somewhat nervous to serve because it’s a big case, but says she’s thought about it and she thinks she can do it.

Says case makes her think “about Rodney King and Breonna Taylor and all of those stories.” Adds, “Seems to me it was race related. They were white, it was a predominately white neighborhood and he was black.”

“I truly believe not all cops are bad, but some are not so nice”

Defense attorney Bob Rubin: What about you makes you think you can be a good juror?

A: “I’m honest. I’m not radical either way.”

Defense attorney Bob Rubin: Are you comfortable debating your opinions?”

Potential juror: “In a jury room yes. This (referencing the voir dire) is horrible, but in a room with a few people I’m fine.”

Doesn’t have friends here, doesn’t know anyone.

Rubin asks how she got a negative opinion of Travis McMichael if she doesn’t watch news. She struggles to answer this, says she’s heard the news some. Finally says, “Look, I live in Glynn County, there’s buildings/murals painted...I’m having trouble answering the question.”

Defense attorney Kevin Gough if she’s a “Never Trumper?" She responds, "Is that relevant? I’m just asking."

Gough: “Well, at least one lawyer thinks it’s relevant.”

A: “Yes I would identify as that.”

Has negative feelings toward the defendants but could base her verdict on evidence presented during trial. Will consider defenses including self-defense and citizen's arrest law.Says she can be a good jury member because she is not radical in either direction: “I’m honest and don’t have too many options one way or another.”

JUROR NO. 199

Appears to be a Black woman in her 40s – 50s, has three children. Recognizes the McMichaels and Arberys from her job but doesn’t know them personally.

Shared a Facebook posting stating that the defendants “hunted him down and killed him like an animal”

Believes “they were not arrested in a timely manner,” and “The whole case is about racism because it’s Black versus white or white versus Black”

Would consider citizen’s arrest, but doesn’t currently see any evidence of it

Changed her name on Facebook after filling out the jury questionnaire. Defense attorneys ask if that was an effort to hide her posts. She denied that it had anything to do with her Facebook posts about the case and said she frequently changes her name on the site. Records indicate that is the case.

Judge Timothy Walmsley criticizes the defense for questions seeming more like a cross-examination.

Juror is qualified over defense objections.

JUROR NO. 205

Appears to be a white man in his 50s/60s. Has lived in Glynn County less than five years, has friends in law enforcement. Wants to serve on the jury.

In questionnaire, said Ahmaud Arbery shouldn’t have been shot, but after watching a 20/20 special [after he got his jury summons], said he’s more down the middle. “Right now, to me it’s a tied ball game.”

Recognizes defense attorney Kevin Gough from the special -- “you were interviewed alone… you’re famous.”

Says he can form his own opinion, “Absolutely… wouldn't say I’m stubborn, but when I make a decision, I make it on my own.” Raises conspiracy theory about two farmers who said they saw two missiles shoot down Flight 94 on 9/11. “So what do you believe? The cockpit recorder or the farmers? To this day I don’t have an opinion on it.”

Stopped watching TV after the election. “These networks, one says this, one says that… I think, the election, Trump got robbed. I know that for a fact.” Now watches 20/20, 48 Hours, Dr. Phil.

Would consider self-defense and citizen’s arrest defenses.

Attorney Kevin Gough asks him, “Are you looking for fame?” No. “Notoriety?” No. I’m not gonna write a book or anything.

“Is there any reason you can’t be fair or impartial?” No.

JUROR NO. 209

Appears to be a Black man in his 20s. Went to high school with Ahmaud Arbery, knows people in Satilla Shores, has friends in law enforcement. Disagrees with laws that allow people to carry guns. Supports BLM, believes he’s been denied opportunities based on race. Says people of color are not treated fairly in the criminal justice system.

On Arbery’s death: “It stung me when I heard about it”

Believes everybody deserves a fair trial.

Qualified over defense objections.

JUROR NO. 274

Appears to be a white woman, 50s, married with three children. Has lived in Glynn County “on and off” since 1994.

Has gleaned what she knows about the case from national news. “Chuckle at the nonsense online,” she says. “It’s all theories and speculation.”

Has a negative view of the McMichaels. “I wouldn’t be friends with them they’re not my kind of people,” she said.

Pressed about that by the defense attorneys says, “Because they’ve been accused of a crime it’s kind of scary. It’s a fear thing. I’m fearful of them, I guess.”

She adds for emphasis: “They’re driving around with a gun!”

Still, she said, “Everybody deserves a fair trial.”

Says she’s willing to give consideration to defense arguments. “I’d want somebody to do that for me.”

Can’t think of a reason why she can’t be fair and impartial.

Owns a handgun. Once had to fire a gun to scare off a home intruder, but says that will have no effect on her ability as juror. Doesn’t think there should be automatic weapons, should be more background checks

“I don’t think people who have guns are monitored enough.”

Believes law enforcement treats white and Black people differently. “I think it’s more than a trend thing I think it’s really true.”

Asked if she’s open to a citizen’s arrest defense: “There’s always that possibility. ….Yes, I would be fair. Everything is a possibility whatever the outcome.”

After getting her jury summons, she researched the process of being a juror, the responsibilities, caught news at night about the case and protests.

Asked if she walked past protesters outside the courthouse, said: “There was nobody there this morning. … That’s their right; they can do that, as long as they don’t get in my face.”

Asked if she thinks race might be issue in the case: “Probably, but I can’t read their minds, I wouldn’t know,” she said.

Has no opinion as to guilt/innocence of Bryan. Asked if she could be friends with him: “Just completely different lifestyles. Our paths would never cross.”

“I do believe that everybody deserves a fair trial.”

JUROR NO 276

Appears to be a white woman in her 60s.

“I’m not impartial at all,” she says (apparently meaning the opposite). “I mean I’m open, I know a little bit about what happened. I can’t base a decision on what I know. I mean I’m open to both sides.

Does not want to serve. “Nobody wants jury service! I’m sorry, they don’t,” she says, but: “If you pick me as a juror, I have to accept it.”

Not happy to be in court. “It disrupted my way of living. I don’t know how to explain it. I do live differently. I’m a very private person,” and “all of a sudden” she’s sitting in the courthouse and doesn’t “belong here.”

Has an injury that makes it hard to sit for more than a couple hours. “Right now, I’m living off of Tylenol that’s the bottom line.”

Caught maybe 20 seconds of coverage on Court TV when flipping through the channels, a few days before she got the questionnaire. She saw the “guy jogging down the sidewalk” and a man “standing on the back of a truck.”

Sunday night they showed “what was it called? ‘The Killing of Ahmaud Arbery’? I did watch that. And I don’t know what to say I don’t have an answer one way or the other if you were to ask me if it were right or wrong, I couldn’t tell you.”

“I feel like there’s something missing, there’s more to the story, I don’t know how to put it.”

“A juror can only go by the evidence you give them, so no disrespect intended if you get a lousy verdict it’s because you gave us lousy evidence.”

“I’m not going to base a decision on personal feelings I’m going to base a decision on the evidence you give me.”

“I’m willing to listen totally, completely to both sides,” has no problems with hearing a citizen’s arrest or self-defense defense.

Has had a good experience with Glynn County Police in relation to a neighborhood dispute. Does not own a gun.

Said she has not discussed the case. “I don’t know anything about it to discuss with anybody I honestly don’t.” Didn’t know about the case until her brother, who lives out of state, called and told her about it.

Asked if she would be comfortable taking her face mask off given the distance: “I am so paranoid over this virus I’d rather not, I’m sorry.”

She’s trying to describe what she remembers from the show she saw on Sunday: some basic details about the shooting. “There was a scuffle,” she says. Travis got out with his gun. “But you couldn’t see anything when he crossed in front of the truck,” she says. “Did he threaten Travis? Did he himself feel threatened?” Hard to say, she thought. Scuffled again; shot again; it showed Arbery walking away “but then he collapsed.”

She likes to watch Court TV. “I don’t watch a whole lot of news,” she said. She can’t remember what channel the Sunday show was on. “It showed Travis with blood on his hands.”

“I think it was slanting to this being … that it just wasn’t right,” she said of the show.

“Everyone wants closure. I want everyone to have a fair honest trial and closure, and hopefully we’ll bring the community together.”

JUROR NO. 281

Appears to be a white woman in her 20s or 30s. Moved to Brunswick after Arbery was shot.

“If somebody happens to share something on Facebook, I’ll see the headline there; I don’t actively seek out news.” Has talked a bit about the case with parents and husband. She Just knows that these men shot and Arbery.

“… if that makes us sound like bad citizens! I’m just not one to look into the news.” She had never heard of Arbery case until she told people she was moving to Brunswick.

Thinks she would be a fair juror. Says yes in calm, unflustered way to all variants of that question.

Does not own a gun, but doesn’t have strong negative opinions about guns or gun owners.

JUROR NO. 282

Appears to be a white woman in her 60s. Married with three children and owns a couple of guns.

“I’ve real mixed feelings about this whole case. I wasn’t here when it happened, I was on vacation, and I was gone for like a month. I don’t know if we ever know what really happened, I think there’s I just think there’s always two sides to everything.”

Doesn’t have time to watch a lot of TV; think she’s seen the cellphone video two or three times. “I just wonder why they didn’t call a cop instead of doing what they did.” The negative feelings are directed at all three. She could set aside all that and consider defenses.

“I’ve tried not to pay attention to this case. I really didn’t think I’d be here, so I didn’t pay that much attention,” she says. Of her husband: “He could care less about the cases we were too wrapped up in the politics last year.” Says she was disappointed in the outcome of 2020 election, but not the 2016 election.

Asked if race played a role in shooting: “I would assume that,” she says cautiously/uncertainly. “I don’t know why I have that. I’m just assuming that.”

Does not talk about the case. “I just have some friends that have really strong opinions about it, so we just don’t talk about it.”

Wonders: “Why didn’t someone call the police?”

Believes she can be impartial. “Oh, I can be fair,” she says.

JUROR NO. 291

Woman in 20s-30s, possibly white. Married with two small children. Has lived in Glynn County less than 5 years, born and raised in Camden, does not own guns.

Talked a tiny bit about the case with husband but not others. Says it’s too close to home. “I’m very quiet about it -- it’s too close into our area. I don’t do politics anything like that with friends.”

Husband told her the video was released and that his coworkers thought they should be found guilty. “For him I think he strongly feels they’re guilty, maybe. But we don’t talk that much in depth about it,” she says of husband. She herself has not seen the video. Read one article about the charges being elevated: someone showed her “a glimpse” of it.

“Everybody deserves to be heard so I don’t see why now,” she says on defense’s arguments. “With the right evidence I don’t see why it can’t be heard.”

Would you be a fair and impartial juror? “Absolutely. It’s people’s lives. They matter.”

She is passingly acquainted with Amy Elrod.

Hasn’t really read any articles beyond bits of Brunswick News about charges being elevated. “Everybody just deserves a fair trial,” she says. “My parents just strongly put that in our head,” she says.

People have reasons for everything they do whether they are good, bad, selfish; so don’t prejudge. “Like they say, there’s three sides to a story.”

When you said the lives of people matter, what people are you thinking of? “Every human being,” she says. Including the defendants? “Absolutely.”

JUROR NO. 773

Appears to be a white man in his late 60's. Former military, has at least one adult child. Gun owner, has a negative impression of Greg McMichael, but not the other defendants. “I got the impression he was stalking.” Based his that opinion on news coverage and from seeing the video "fewer than five times." Has not made up his mind about Greg McMichael's innocence or guilt

Considers news to be "white noise". Open to being juror. Has herniated disk and currently recovering from it. Has lived in Georgia for a few years, Midwest native.

JUROR NO. 4

Appears to be a white woman in her mid 60's. Has lived in St. Simons for about a year.

Said case is a constant topic of conversation, has negative feelings about Travis McMichel

"A man died, so yeah I have a pretty negative feeling about that … I don't feel very good about him.”

Doesn't understand why Bryan filmed video or the purpose of filming it.

Tried to get out of jury duty because of Covid-19 but judge didn't let her.

First heard about the case when the video first surfaced. Watched video only once. "The fact that I first saw in the NYT was of concern to me". "There are things that needed to be investigated that hadn't been investigated".

"None of this makes me feel good" about the outcome of the case regardless of what it is. "I have a negative feeling about the whole incident."

Defense seeks to strike her for cause. Attorney Laura Hogue: “This juror originally raised her hand that she was not fair and impartial and that she had negative feelings for defendants.” She supplied an “emotional” juror questionnaire. “She talked about the prejudice she might feel,” and doesn’t understand citizen’s arrest.

Prosecutor Linda Dunikoski opposes the motion to strike for cause, said juror said she will try to be fair.

Judge says woman indicated she was a critical thinker. Didn’t understand citizen’s arrest but that will be explained to her. Judge denies motion.

JUROR NO. 372

Appears to be a white woman in her 30s-40s. Has lived in Glynn County less than five years. has firearms training but does not own guns. Learned about case from news stories on her social media feed but “I haven’t dug into it.”

Has a negative opinion about the defendants but says she can set it aside. Believes that people of color aren’t treated fairly or equally by the justice system. Supports social justice movement including BLM posts on Facebook but said that wouldn’t affect her ability to be fair and impartial.

“From what I know about the case I agree in citizen’s arrest, but I don’t agree with the end result so that gives me a negative opinion.”

Asked to elaborate, said: “I believe that if you see somebody committing a crime that you have a right to detain them until a police officer gets there.” But also said she doesn’t believe that gave the McMichaels a right to shoot Arbery.

Wonders if race played a role. She’s not from the South and previously lived in the Northeast and on the West Coast. “I’ve heard and seen just quite a bit of racism in general” since moving to Brunswick, she said. “That did play into my head because it is a distinct white-vs-Black in this case.”

Said that would not figure into her deliberations.

“I don’t know all the facts of the case,” No. 372 said. “I wouldn’t automatically assume why they chose to do something.”

No motion to strike, juror was qualified.

JUROR NO. 352

Appears to be a white man in his early 30s. Attended local schools, served in the military, still owns a rifle. Believes he can fairy, impartially weigh the case.

Saw the video once and listened to podcasts in which the case was discussed (Joe Rogen -- “I’d say he’s less biased than most”) but doesn’t have a strong opinion: “no more than anyone else.”

Said he can meaningly consider self-defense and citizen’s arrest as possible defenses. “I would just say that they’re in the wrong, but I don’t think they’re as guilty of evil and such as some people are saying.”

Does not agree with things he read that said Arbery was lynched: “I don’t believe that they were lynching, quote-unquote.”

Asked to elaborate, said: “I don’t believe they intentionally went out that day to kill Ahmaud Arbery. But I believe they still acted poorly. They shouldn’t have shot him.” Doesn’t think race played a role from what he knows about the case.

No motion to strike, juror was qualified.

JUROR NO. 268

Appears to be a white male in his 70s. Declined to be exempted from jury duty because of his age, as the law allows, but said he’d be willing to serve.

“If I’m selected I would,” he said. “I’m not especially volunteering.” Has difficulty hearing. Former military. Doesn’t own a gun and is an advocate for greater gun control, though decades ago he sometimes carried a gun.

“I just think America is becoming a Wild West country,” he said.

Has a negative impression of the defendants. “I have seen the video of the shooting,” he said of Travis McMichael. “I think very commonly anyone would have a negative opinion about that.”

Of Greg McMichael: “I think he’s older and probably should have had a little calmer approach to what was happening.”

Of Bryan: “Why would he film that if he was attempting to help his neighbors?”

Believes race may have played a role. “I don’t see why you would see someone jogging down the street and try to arrest him. Did they see him steal something? Did they know him?”

Read a lot about the case in the news, says it’s difficult to be completely impartial.

“I understand when accused that you are innocent until proven guilty. If I were on the jury, I would certainly make an attempt to be impartial.”

Believes police treat people of color differently than white people.

He also said he believes Georgia’s former state flag adopted in 1956, and prominently featuring the Confederate battle emblem, was a racist symbol.

“The flag was instituted as a symbol of segregation. … The old rebel flag is, it’s still a symbol of isolation for a certain segment of the country.”

The fact Travis McMichael had that flag on his truck’s vanity plate: “I think it would indicate a prejudicial attitude” but would not overwhelm all other evidence in the case.

Asked by Kevin Gough if he thinks his client, Roddie Bryan, is guilty.

“I’m not really sure what he’s charged with,” No. 268 said. “Is he charged with murder?”

Gough replied that Bryan was.

“I would have to question that,” he said

Defense motion to strike, judge denies, juror is qualified.

JUROR NO. 368

Appears to be a white man in his 50s/60s. Works near the neighborhood where the shooting happened and wanted to know more.

“My wife and I were curious, so we went and looked for the video,” he said. Said he probably watched the video three times in one sitting. “It was petty inconclusive.”

Asked to elaborate, said: “I just remember my wife and I saying there must a lot more that we can’t see here.”

Said he could be fair and impartial if chosen to serve, figuring there must be more evidence than just the video.

Said he’s formed no opinions on whether the McMichaels and Bryan are innocent or guilty.

“No, I can’t tell from what happened,” he said, referring to the video. “I saw two people with their hands on the gun. I didn’t know how that came about.”

Believes rallies and protests held in Arbery’s memory have been overblown, particularly those in which Arbery’s family and supporters have returned to the neighborhood where he was killed.

Said he drove past the subdivision during one such protest and heard people chanting: “Whitey has to die!”

“I see racism. I still see some here and there. I usually just try to ignore it.”

Said it could be uncomfortable for him to serve as a juror if he’s forced to wear a mask. He wasn’t required to in his job during the pandemic until the last couple of months. “Now in the last two months I’ve been forced to wear a mask. I get very warm, very heated,” he said. “It’s going to be a rough time for me.”

No motions to strike, juror is qualified.

JUROR NO. 364

Appears to be a white woman, is over 70, moved to Glynn County from the Midwest several years ago after retiring. Didn’t raise her hand when they asked for people 70 and older who didn’t want to serve on the jury. “I wouldn’t mind. I think it’s probably my duty to do it. That doesn’t mean I want to.”

Said she doesn’t know much about the shooting.

“Basically, I didn’t even put their names into my head until today,” she said of the defendants, adding: “I just knew two had the same last name.”

She said she and her husband talked about Arbery’s death after it happened.

“It was probably something that like, `That’s too bad that happened.’ And where it was,” she said, noting they often drive past the Satilla Shores subdivision where he was killed.

Asked if she held an opinion on the defendants’ guilt: “Not actually because I don’t know any details. I just know the basics of what I heard when it originally happened.”

No reason she can’t be fair and impartial: “I don’t think so. I can’t think of any. … I would definitely be interested in hearing both sides”

Says her main sources of news is Brunswick News. “I follow more political news; Epoch Times, I like their detailed articles.”

JUROR NO. 351

Appears to be a white woman in her 20s. College student, married.

Doesn’t have a strong opinion on the case but feels like news reports haven’t been fair to the McMichaels or Bryan. “I don’t know if there’s enough fair enough information on their behalf as opposed to Ahmaud’s behalf.”

She said she watches very little news, but has heard plenty about the case.

“It’s a very small town and for like this to happen in Brunswick, everybody’s talking about it.”

Heard about Arbery’s mental health information being ruled inadmissible, but hasn’t read any of the documents available online.

Has some concerns about people’s safety and well-being in the community.

“Not really necessarily my safety, but maybe the safety of the people involved in the case or our county itself (if) say, someone gets off.”

“If something goes some way that some person doesn’t want it to, is their life going to be threatened?” she said, clarifying that she was referring to the defendants.

She said at one point she had made a social media post supporting racial justice after Arbery’s death. “I think I ended up deleting it maybe the same day,” she said. “I didn’t even know if that was own opinion. I was just doing it for the sake of my friends. I don’t even know if I’m making sense.”

No motions to strike, juror is qualified.

JUROR NO. 434

Appears to be a white woman over 50, married, has lived in Glynn County less than five years. Has concerns about repercussions for serving.

In her opinion is at least one person is guilty – “Travis, the one who actually shot.” Asked her opinion of his father Greg: “I don’t know.”

Googled the case after being summoned for jury duty. She learned that the victim was running, out for a jog maybe, at a house under construction, maybe there had been some robberies or deaths? Father and son saw him and confrontation happened and someone had a gun and then someone shot him. And that someone else was videotaping it, “and that’s what I know to be true.”

Believes that people of color are not treated fairly in the criminal justice system. “You tend to hear more about when white people go missing or something happens to them instead of a Black person.” Said she would not hold that against the defendants nor would it affect her ability to be an impartial juror.

Has discussed the case with friends and family. Her friends are shocked that it happened here and that the trial is happening in Glynn County.

Travis McMichael’s attorney Jason Sheffield: Do you really think you are the right juror for this case?

Juror: I don’t know. I think I could do it if I had to.

Roddie Bryan’s attorney Kevin Gough asks: “Do blue lives matter?” Juror doesn’t know what he means, so he explains there is a flag with a thin blue line. He asks if she cares about veterans. She said yes.

He asks if she cares about Charlie Hebdo. She is confused. Gough determines he may have looked at the wrong Facebook profile.

JUROR NO. 440

Appears to be white female, in her 40s. Works in healthcare, has lived in Glynn County less than five years. Concerned about personal repercussions if selected to serve.

Does not express a negative feeling for defendants.

Googled the case after she received the jury summons. She learned there were two men in a truck and they thought “the defendant” was running or had stolen something and they were chasing him down and they got into an altercation – “the defendant” and the two white men. (She clarifies that she is referring to Ahmaud Arbery when she says defendant.)

Juror says she doesn’t know enough to have formed an opinion.

She was arrested in her early 20s for DUI, but then charged with reckless driving. She got an attorney, served probation and paid a large fine. Her attorney secured the lesser charge and she felt like she was treated fairly.

JUROR NO. 444

Appears to be a Black woman in her 30s. Born and raised in Brunswick, moved to Florida as a teen and recently moved back. High school graduate, no children.

Has firearms training and enjoys going to the gun range. Owns a 9MM. Believes people of color are not treated fairly in criminal justice system but says she can separate her personal views from this case.

Has seen the video of the shooting twice. Has also seen the surveillance video, and says she doesn’t know enough about the case to form an opinion.

Tries not to talk about the Ahmaud Arbery case because it could lead to conflict with someone else. She doesn’t like to argue. Expressed concern about repercussions for serving on the jury.

Thinks the old Georgia state flag is a racist symbol, but says she can be open to the idea that some people who fly the flag do so for their heritage and are not racist. She will not hold it against anyone in the case and can be fair and impartial.

She has strong views about the lapse of time between when Ahmaud was killed and the arrests in the case. She questions why it took so long. She holds it against the people who made that decision – the police department in Brunswick and anyone who had the evidence. She understands the prosecutors are from Cobb County, and won’t hold it against them in this case. But she does believe it’s important that question is answered if she serves on the jury.

Asked if race plays a role in this case, said she does not think so.

JUROR NO. 450

Appears to be a white woman in her 40s. Has lived in Glynn County for six years, has two adult children.

She watches TV news out of Jacksonville and follows the Brunswick News.

Has formed opinion about the guilt of the defendants, and has a negative view of them. “I did watch the video and based on the video it does seem there was guilt there,” but thinks she can be impartial.

She said it would be difficult to follow the law based on the video, but she would listen to the law and make a decision in accordance with it. Is her negative opinion based on the video? Yes, that’s it. She doesn’t know them personally.

What did she see on the video? I just saw what appeared to be two trucks, someone was on the back of the truck and then someone was wrestling with someone else on the side of the truck and then there were gunshots.

Asked if she thinks Travis is guilty of something: “It appears that way.” Guilty of what? “Firing his weapon. “

Do you know who tried to grab the gun from whom? “I watched the video one time,” adding, “I’m an avid hunter myself and I would never begin to carry an 8 pound gun through a neighborhood. So I assumed that Mr. McMichael had the gun, not Mr. Arbery.”

Said she did not ever consider the case in terms of self defense or citizen’s arrest, but said “I think I can” give those defenses meaningful consideration.

Discussed the case with her husband last year after she saw the video. They watched it together. She doesn’t remember what they talked about after they saw it. We just remembered there was a gap in the timing from when it happened until the arrest. Does she have an opinion? There probably shouldn’t have been as long of a gap.

She says she hadn’t given the case much thought nor had she discussed it further with her husband other than when she received a summons. Her husband told her “do what you can to get out of this, so you can get back to work.”

Asked if the case involves race? “No.”

JUROR NO. 452

Appears to be a white, middle-aged man. He’s had limited discussion with his father about being called for jury service.

“Does your wife share your opinion about guilt in this case? I think she feels the same way. She’s a little “weird” when it comes to politics. Even though, we are husband and wife, she keeps her opinions from me.

You keep saying politics. How do you align this case with politics? He doesn’t and didn’t mean it that way. He just said the social climate is so polarized.

A woman he works with is related to Ahmaud Arbery, shared that she was sad. Did her grief impact you? I don’t think so. I would not say it had any particular effect on me, says he is able to compartmentalize.

Do you think you are the right juror for this case? Says he’s not a lawyer. “All I can say is if I had to I would do my best to be fair and impartial and do my best to leave what I thought at the door and listen to the facts and make the best decision based on those facts.”

Identifies as a Republican who is open to ideas on both sides.

Are you concerned about your safety if you were to return a verdict in this case? “I think depending on the verdict there may or may not be problems in Brunswick. It’s entered my mind. “

Opinions about Roddie Bryan? I don’t know him or anyone else, just that he was the driver who took the video.

Adds, “I don’t think it was very smart to have the camera out, videotaping if we’re being quite honest.”

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